On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Sam wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:34 PM, denstar wrote: >> >> "Who knows?" may be valid, to some extent, but come on. Use a smidgen >> of logic and ask yourself "it is plausible and possible that we're >> affecting the environment?" (Environment includes climate) > > Reverse the question and re-ask it. Get back to me.
I don't think it's possible or probable that we are *not* changing things. You do? >> I *know* that we don't "know" (you hear me preach it time and again), >> but unless I'm hallucinating the toxins (possible, but not as >> probable), we're performing "actions" that have "reactions". > > Are we talking mercury in the water or CO2 vs O2? AKA people vs plants. In grade school they teach us that there's a balance that's needed for life as we know it to "work". >> Or maybe that's all bunk too. Who knows? >> >> I agree, what really bothers me is this mentality that "humans are so >> /small/ and the universe is so /big/. We couldn't possibly (or even >> probably?!?!) affect much". > > Ye of little faith that believes the earth is controlled by humans. Controlled? Heh! Control is an illusion. Changeable by humans? Unless reality is an illusion, yes. >> I can tell you with 100% certainty (with a grain of salt) that we are >> 100% capable of making our environment uninhabitable for us. Which is >> really what we're talking about. > > That's not changing the globe that's called shitting where you eat. Potato, potatoe. >> The earth will continue to rotate around the sun (unless that's all >> some kind of illusion, of course-- our senses being what they are, >> fallible.), the stars will continue to shine, yadda yadda-- we're not >> talking about possibly ending existence as a whole here. >> >> Just ending ours. > > If you think tree exhaust is going to ruin the planet chop them all down. Now /there's/ a solution I can get behind! It's us or them, man! >> And yes, I think we are that powerful, tiny tho we be... >> >> Relatively. >> > I agree, Al Gore almost tricked everyone into doing something so st The "lock box"? Yeah, that trickster. -- To be wronged is nothing unless you continue to remember it. Conf ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:309093 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
