Pretty much Dana...

-----Original Message-----
From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 12:50 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Radio Talk Show Host Randi Rhodes: 'Cut Off Ovaries' Of
Conservative Women Randi Rhodes: 'Cut Off Ovaries' Of Conservative Women


sigh. I suspect I am going to be sorry I answered this (hi Sam)  but you are
both right, kinda.

Judah is correct in saying that we don't have a right to not be insulted,
but I *think* what Eric is talking about is insults based on who we *are*
instead of what we do. Nigger is a good example of this sort of insult, as I
understand it, because it implies that the person is ignorant *because he is
black* and of course that makes the ignorance irredeemable because he cannot
change the color of his skin. You've probably heard "I may be fat, but
you're stupid, and I can diet." There is no remedy for black skin and
"nigger" implies that one is needed.  Slut is a similar word since it's a
gender reference and a woman cannot change her gender,  and it essentially
says that sexuality is shameful, and most people are not willing to not have
a sexuality.

And before someone points this out, yes, these words in certain contexts can
both be used humorously or approvingly. I am talking about why they are
particularly hurtful when used as insults and why it is not really that
wrong to say that people have a right not to hear them.



On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Eric Roberts <
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:

>
> I don't think it matters what was done in the past...it is still a 
> human right.  (resending this as it didn't go through for some 
> reason...)
>
> Eric
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 3:42 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Radio Talk Show Host Randi Rhodes: 'Cut Off Ovaries' Of 
> Conservative Women Randi Rhodes: 'Cut Off Ovaries' Of Conservative 
> Women
>
>
> I think you are confused about what constitutes a right, Eric.
>
> I suppose you could try to make an argument for it to be a Natural 
> Right, ala Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness, etc. But you certainly 
> haven't done that so far and I think you'd have a heck of a time 
> solidifying that notion of a right. Take a look back at our Founding 
> Fathers...they called each other some really vile shit. Politeness was 
> not the order of the day then just as it is not now.
>
> Of course that doesn't mean we can't keep trying to improve things, 
> mind you. I certainly think we should. I just don't think you can 
> argue it is any sort of right.
>
> Cheers,
> Judah
>
>
>
> 



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