the Indian rebellion had little to do with Afghanistan. That said, two can play the wikipedia game. I think that some of the historical sources are online - such as order of battle on the British side etc. But there are 3 wiki refs that basically concur with what I am saying. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Afghan_War#Reprisals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Anglo-Afghan_War http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Anglo-Afghan_War
I am also basing some of my opinion on this book: http://www.amazon.com/The-Great-Game-Struggle-Kodansha/dp/1568360223 The Great Game: The Struggle for Empire in Central Asia (Kodansha Globe) by Peter Hopkirk So please I think I know what I am talking about. On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Rebellion_of_1857 > > http://www.garenewing.co.uk/angloafghanwar/ > > It's nowhere near that simple, Larry. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_(novel) > > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> >> That was the Elphinstone expedition. While a lot is made out of that >> defeat, very frew note that the British came back a year later and >> torched all of Kabul and half of the country in revenge. They also got >> the right to dictate all of Afghanistan's foreign relations. That >> lasted until just before WW1. The Afghani's were really stupid >> afterwards, they decided to invade the Raj in 1918. The British >> inflicted a series of decisive defeats from the Khyber pass through >> Kandahar. At the time fanaticism just could not compete with chemical >> warfare and heavy machine guns. >> >> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > um. Seems to me it was actually the East India Company and the British >> Army >> > was repeated defeated defending it. They may have been nominally in >> control >> > of the place but they soon wished they weren't. Did you ever read >> Kipling? >> > Here's a link on some of the early history behind the name: >> > >> > http://www.britishbattles.com/first-afghan-war/kabul-1842.htm >> > >> > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com >> >wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> The graveyard of empires is really a myth. Afghanistan through most of >> >> its history was a part of larger empires - the Persian, Mongol, >> >> British etc. It wasn't until the 1700's that it became effectively >> >> independent. The British actually controlled Afghanistan from the >> >> 1880's through 1930 or so. >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:50 AM, Eric Roberts >> >> <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > There is a good reason Afghanistan is called the graveyard of >> Empires. I >> >> > don't think the Bush administration was operating in any known >> >> reality...so >> >> > this "fantasy" was probably a part of it. The rest is greed and >> giving >> >> tax >> >> > dollars to his buddies based on no bid contracts for civilians to take >> >> over >> >> > many of the military functions...like cooks, mechanics, laundry, >> >> > construction, etc....also throw in the "protection" role of >> Blackwater or >> >> > whatever they call themselves these days...Xe I think...or did they >> >> change >> >> > that too? You have a pretty sweet deal for defense contractors. >> >> Military >> >> > industrial complex is swimming in cash...at least until the treasury >> is >> >> > drained. He certainly didn't try to bolster the treasury with the tax >> >> cuts >> >> > to the rich. The ones to the middle class and lower class were a >> >> pittance >> >> > and in reality didn't do squat. Welcome to the fascist police state >> my >> >> > friends... >> >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] >> >> > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 10:17 PM >> >> > To: cf-community >> >> > Subject: Re: Pics from the NATO Protest >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Afghanistan also has significant deposits of minerals used in high >> tech >> >> > manufacturing. >> >> > >> >> > However, I really don't think that was the reason we invaded. It's >> >> possible >> >> > that some far right delusional folks thought we might take over >> >> Afghanistan >> >> > and suppress the Taliban and do a good job extracting resources and >> >> helping >> >> > guard against an alliance over oil between Russia and the Middle East. >> >> But, >> >> > given history, I think that most people in their right minds would >> have >> >> > regarded that as a rather extreme fantasy. We can bomb a country >> back to >> >> > the dark ages, but when it's already in the dark ages? Really, what >> are >> >> your >> >> > odds of success? >> >> > >> >> > No, we've got the good old fashioned military industrial complex at >> >> work. I >> >> > know, seems trite, doesn't it? Eisenhower warned us against it, after >> >> all. >> >> > That makes it pretty long in the tooth. Obviously just hippy shit >> these >> >> days >> >> > that people tell each other as they fit aluminum foil hats. >> >> > >> >> > There is a huge amount of money to be made and a huge amount of power >> to >> >> be >> >> > had by simply being at war. Doesn't matter so much with who. >> >> > There are advantages one way or another with different enemies. Sure, >> if >> >> we >> >> > did manage to triumph in Afghanistan, it would have some nice >> benefits. >> >> Same >> >> > thing for Iraq. Or Iran. But that's all secondary. A nice bonus, if >> you >> >> > will. Keeping people afraid allows you to pass further draconian laws >> >> that >> >> > blow away privacy. Being at war allows you to funnel massive amounts >> of >> >> > money to a tiny number of big companies and agencies with secret >> budgets >> >> and >> >> > no bids. Spending trillions on wars allows you to look at the >> increasing >> >> > deficits and say, "oh no! We need to cut everywhere other than >> defense!" >> >> and >> >> > put people further into poverty and even more into subjugation. >> >> > >> >> > The brilliant part of the "war on terror" is that it isn't a war with >> >> > anyone. It's a war with an idea. No one ever gets to easily claim >> "we've >> >> > won" and be able to show it. There is no white flag from the enemy. >> >> Anyone >> >> > who ever says "we're done" will have a well trained group of media >> attack >> >> > dogs jumping them and saying "you gave up and are a coward" and >> "you've >> >> > placed everyone's children at risk". Hell, that's happened to Obama >> and >> >> he >> >> > doubled down in Afghanistan. >> >> > >> >> > Nope. The legacy of 9/11 is that we have a country where we funnel >> almost >> >> > unlimited (and totally untracked) amounts of money into an endless war >> >> > against unknown and constantly changing enemies while sacrificing an >> >> untold >> >> > number of civil liberties for no appreciable end game. There are >> plenty >> >> of >> >> > other games within a game (like the millenarian folks that think that >> >> Israel >> >> > has to have some sort of weird war stuff to happen for the rapture to >> >> come) >> >> > but when you have hugely profitable companies making large amounts of >> >> money >> >> > and government power brokers gaining greater control over the >> populace, >> >> > they'll be pretty happy with a continued state of rolling unrest. >> >> > >> >> > Authoritarianism suits large industry and large government. And war is >> >> the >> >> > best way to ensure that authoritarianism keeps a strong grip on our >> >> country. >> >> > >> >> > Judah >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Larry C. Lyons < >> larrycly...@gmail.com> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> exactly the only greed factor I can see is with KBR, but during that >> >> >> time period they didn't have the same presence as they did in Iraq. I >> >> >> think Tim can enlighten us on that - he was there. >> >> >> >> >> >> But the only real money to be made in Afghanistan are with opium and >> >> weed. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:351420 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
