There are still boots on the ground in Iraq, he drew down, but didn't withdraw.
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Judah McAuley <ju...@wiredotter.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Bruce Sorge <sor...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Let's start with how the Benghazi story was first put out, that it was > not a terrorist act, but rather started by a video > > That was what they thought because that was what happened in Egypt. > They were wrong and soon realized that. They should have been more > forthcoming in the aftermath and I fault them about the relay of > information around consular security (this is the worst one to me) but > the story around Benghazi was not something to call them on. > > > Fast and furious began under the Bush administration > > It did. Under a different name, but same fundamental program. The > Obama administration doubled down on it though and they should be > hammered for it. > > > Says his budget will cut the deficit by 4 trillion over 10 years > > Which bit do you want to call out on that and with what facts? > > > You didn't build that > > Uh, how is that a lie? It's absolutely true that companies don't > spring into existence fully formed and without any support from common > infrastructure. I've built web development companies but those > companies wouldn't exist without the Internet, as an example. He was > absolutely, 100% right. > > > During 2012 state of the union, said that American oil production is at > it's highest in eight years > > He said 8 year high and he was correct. > > > Says he has done more for Israel's security than any other president > > Ehud Barak agrees. Please also take a look at aid numbers. > > > Said that the jobs bill was paid for > > It wasn't? > > > Said that there is no where else in the US to drill for oil > > I'm not familiar with this statement. When did he say it and in what > context? I know the argument has come up that there are thousands of > existing exploration permits that are sitting unused. Perhaps > something along those lines? > > > Said that there were no boots on the ground in Libya , but yet the > AC-130 gunships just happen to be able to hit their targets without a > spotter? Weird. > > > > You might be right but I'm unaware of any evidence to support your > claim. Do you have any? I wouldn't be surprised if you are right, but > I have not heard of any evidence substantiating your claim. > > > The list goes on and on and these are just some of the things in the > last 3+ years I an think of off the top of my head. > > Mostly sounds like you just don't like the dude. I can understand > that. There is a lot of garbage around Fast and Furious (for example), > around ass covering regarding the security situation in Benghazi, the > administration crapping on FOIA requests, continued escalation of the > use of National Security Letters, the list goes on quite a bit for me. > But let's be factual and take a step back when calling out "lies". > > > And the best one ever (not a lie really, just taking credit for someone > else's work) is how he takes credit for taking troops out of Iraq when in > actuality the plan was already put in place before he took office. And then > he failed to come up with a SOFA agreement to keep limited troops there in > case shit pops off like it has. So basically he left Iraq hanging. > > > > I give him credit for following through on the withdrawal, there are a > whole lot of people who argued we shouldn't. And he doubled down in > Afghanistan, which went directly against the base that wanted us to > bring everyone back home, period. May or may not have been the > smartest idea, but it had the strength of conviction at least. As for > the SOFA, how can you really blame anyone other than Iraq on that? > Iraq's government was a clusterfuck and the only agreement that might > have conceivably been done there would have put our guys at great risk > and directly under the legal finger of the changing whims of Iraqi > leadership. I just don't see how you could argue that we could have > negotiated a SOFA that would be acceptable to both sides (presuming > that you believe that our troops needed to be shielded whims of the > Iraqi political situation). > > Cheers, > Judah > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:356524 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
