I don't think any piece of paper grants rights, which is one of the reasons I have such ahard time debating some of these things with people, it just recognizes them. I'm also saying that that recognition, taken in the light of the supremacy clause is the law of the land, for all the states.
Isn't that the basis of incorporation? On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Gruss Gott <grussg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > If I were to argue from your perspective, than the state can limit your > > speech, religious freedoms, and everything else. > > > > Let's say you're correct thoug. > > I am correct ... technically. It's why we have the legal gymnastics > and why the Warren Court did what it did and it's why we're constantly > getting these Bill of Rights challenges to free speech and everything > else. That wouldn't happen if there was clarity of law. > > When I say "technically" I'm saying that the Constitution is clear: it > does not give YOU anything, it only specifies what FEDS cannot take > from you; that's a subtle but crucial difference. > > I'm being so granular because I get frustrated with all of the > ignorant "The founders said ..." talk - 99.9% of those people have > never even read the amendments and don't understand their shaky legal > ground. > > (you, of course, excluded in that :) > > Personally, I agree with you on most everything you're saying, I just > don't think we can justify our mutual *LEGAL* position based on the > Constitution. Doesn't mean we can't amend it! And that's ultimately > what the founders "wanted". > > So I'm saying if we really want to honor our country's founding > principles then we should admit the Constitution doesn't federally > grant rights - and then we should push for a clear amendment to > federally mandate and enforce the Bill of Rights. > > I bet then you'd see where people really stand. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:358537 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
