Name one they haven't Michael... I am not advocating invading anyone...i am just saying that we probably would.
All the while they were allowing "settlers" to invade other parts of Palestinian territory despite the fact that they agreed not to. They do a lot for show...but they are all empty gestures designed to make Israel look good....not actually correct any injustices. No...you are not the aboriginal people there. Your Ancestry, while it is part Israelite...it is also mostly eastern and central European. Your people have not been native to Israel for quite some time. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 1:37 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Slaughter of civilians by Israel... Most of those resolutions are one sided and America is totally right to veto them. When they cover both sides of the issue then the chances of a veto is slim. America does not automatically veto every resolutions, just the ones that should be. Look them up. So if Italy was attacked by France and shot back, you would say to invade Italy, not France? And as for a previous post, Israel has bent over backwards for peace. They removed EVERY Jew from Gaza, in some cases by force. Gaza is totally Jew free and under Hamas's control. They did that for peace. They've released terrorists by the hundreds to get Abbas to sit at the table for peace and it led nowhere. Abbas even laughed at how he got hundreds of prisoners free and didn't give anything in return. The bottom line problem is that you see Israel as an invader, not at the aboriginal people of the area. We Jews have our origin there, have prayed for return there, have been there for generations, have archeological proof of our existence there, etc. WE are aboriginal people to that area. To deny that is to deny thousands of years of provable history. If you accept that we are not invaders and that we have a right to be there, then all of a sudden this stops being an invader vs. native issue. If you actually go the extra step and understand the cultures of the area, then things get even more interesting. On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > We aren't sending Syria billions of our tax dollars every year and > preventing any action from being taken against Israel when the rest of > the world sees that what they are doing is a war crime. We just veto > it in the Security Council. We have been saying that what Syria has > been doing is atrocious and a war crime all along. Most people who > have been calling for action against Israel were the same one > supporting actions taken against the Assad Regime. If Italy took the > same actions as Israel, they would have sanctions slapped all over them and > we would probably be invading them. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 12:23 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Slaughter of civilians by Israel... > > > I've kept out of this but this statement is provably false. Hamas has > been launching thousands of rockets since 2012. If he claims otherwise > then everything he says is suspect. But the point is the same. Hamas > launches rockets, Israel responds, Israel is blamed. Israel warns of > an attack, Hamas calls people to the attack site, Israel is blamed. > Hamas launches rockets from civilian and other non-military locations, > Israel attacks those locations, Israel is blamed. > > Lets see if your biased. Say Italy instead of Israel and see if you > still have the same level of ire. > > Now how many have been killed by the Syrian government this week and > why don't you speak of them with the same hate? > > Hamas and other major fractions hasn't fired a single rocket to Israel > > since 2012, and Hamas was responsible for stopping them. Most of the > > people in Gaza wouldn't want Hamas in office, we prefer it to be a > > resistance party away from the political ground. > > > > It is a legitimate request, as if they were to go out of their > > homes, they would certainly be demolished, and they would not have a > > place to house them, and they would go homeless. But if they stayed > > they would have a chance of 1/1000 to be bombed and if they were to > > be bombed they would know and they would be out of it. > > > > Of course not, every country should have the right to defend it self." > > > > > > -------- > > > > And here we have articles from an Israeli newspaper refuting the > > assertion that HAMAS rockets started this. > > > > There has been so much raw information, misrepresented information, > > and sheer deliberate misinformation < > > http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students- > > so > > cial-media/2651715/ > > > > > [1] that it is becoming increasingly difficult to separate facts > > from propaganda. OP is correct in saying that Hamas didn't fire any > > rockets and even sent active patrols to prevent others from > > launching rockets (and Israeli news sources even corroborate this) since > > the 2012 truce. > > They didn't start firing rockets until the Israeli bombing of > > Palestinians and Hamas began anew - which began prior to Protective > > Edge. The prisoners freed as part of the truce were rearrested, > > several homes (residential, not military targets, even by Israel's > > admission) were demolished based on suspicion alone. > > > > You may call bias into this, so I will use only Israeli sources here: > > > > Since the 2012 ceasefire Hamas has refrained from rocket attacks on > Israel. > > I know what you're thinking - rockets were coming out of Gaza and > > landing in Israel between November 2012 and now, and that's > > definitely true. But these rockets didn't come from Hamas and more > > importantly, Hamas was trying to stop them. > > > > Hamas deploys 600-strong force to prevent rocket fire at Israel > > > > > > http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-establishes-special-force-to-prev > > en > > t-rocket-fire/#ixzz37MFA5sKO > > [2] > > > > Hamas arrests terror cell responsible for rocket fire on Israel > > > > > > http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-arrests-terror-cell-responsible-f > > or -rocket-fire-on-israel/#ixzz37MFLhn3Q > > [3] > > > > An Israeli army general says Hamas is stopping attacks against > > Israel and even âââ¬ÃÅkeeps the peaceâââ‰â¢ when the > > IDF operates along the border. > > > > > > http://972mag.com/head-of-idfs-gaza-command-hamas-is-the-new-policem > > an > > -in-gaza/82895/ > > [4] > > > > So now that is out of the way let's look at this conflict from where > > it started (some will say it started with the death of 2 Palestinian > > teens who were shot during a protest > > <http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.590861>[5] ) but > > I'll say it started with the kidnapping of 3 Israeli teens in the West Bank. > > > > After those teens were kidnapped the Israeli government started > > rounding up Palestinians and arresting them, many of those arrested > > are still being held without charge. At the time Israel was saying > > that the operation was under way in order to find the kidnapped teens. > > Later on it was revealed that the Israeli government knew that the > > teens were dead but issued a gag order as to the evidence that would > > suggest that while at the same time insisting they were alive and > > maintaining that the operation in the West Bank was to find the > kidnapped teens. > > > > Details of the âââ‰â¢100âââ¬Ã² call (the local > > equivalent of 911) > > and what investigators discovered in the car used for the kidnapping > > of three Israeli teens earlier this month were well known by > > security service heads, top ministers âââ‰â¬Â and even > > journalists > > âââ‰â¬Â early on in the affair; but not by the public because it > > was all placed and kept under a tightly held gag order. The blood > > found in the car, the sound of gun shots in the emergency call, > > evidence of live ammunition and the fact that there hasnâââ‰â¢t > > been a single instance of two or more people being held hostage in > > the West Bank in decades âââ‰â¬Å all that led to a single > > logical > > assumption: the teens were no longer alive. Yet at the same time, > > the Israeli public was told the teens were being held by Hamas, and a > > public campaign calling for their return was launched. > > > > > > http://972mag.com/how-the-public-was-manipulated-into-believing-the- > > te > > ens-were-alive/92865/ > > [6] > > > > As this all happened, Israel's government was blaming Hamas for the > > kidnapping of the teens - despite showing no evidence to support > > that claim. > > > > As far as is known, the Hamas leadership in Gaza was not part of the > > chain of command behind the abduction, carried out by a Hamas cell > > from Hebron on July 12. > > > > http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.603889[7] > > > > But despite all of this, Hamas didn't react. They continued trying > > to stop the rocket attacks on Israel and were hoping that the unity > > government that was just set up would give them a diplomatic way to > > deal with the prisoners. > > > > Keep in mind that while these attacks didn't come from Hamas (Hamas > > takes responsibility for their attacks, they denied involvement in > > the ones preceding the Israeli retaliation) Israel would always > > strike Hamas targets in retaliation. > > > > Then came the straw that broke the camel's back, at least for Hamas: > > > > Hamas has had no interest in a major escalation, and had not been > > directly attacking Israel until the last few days. But ever since > > one of its members, Mohammed Obeid, was killed in an Israeli border > > attack at the end of last month âââ‰â¬Â an apparent error: the > > IDF > > thought it was firing at a rocket-launch cell, but actually struck > > Hamas members deployed to prevent rocket fire âââ‰â¬Â it has > > changed its approach. > > > > > > http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-smells-israels-fear-of-escalation > > -a > > nd-so-the-rockets-keep-coming/ > > [8] > > > > One of their members was killed by Israel while trying to stop > > rocket attacks on Israel. For the first time, Hamas started firing > > rockets back at Israel and took full responsibility for firing those > > rockets. > > > > Say what you will about Hamas, but they fully admit when they are > > launching rockets and when they abduct Israelis - and their > > operations have been focused on military targets. > > á ç > > > > > > On 17 July 2014 09:42, Eric Roberts > > <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > And from what alternate reality are you getting that history from Sam? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 8:38 AM > > > To: cf-community > > > Subject: Re: Slaughter of civilians by Israel... > > > > > > > > > History has shown that Israel will bend over backwards to get > > > peace and have and these efforts fail every time. They gave back > > > Gaza with the the huge money making hot houses against all logic, > > > knowing full well it would > > just > > > give them a place to fire rockets from, but they did it with the > > slightest > > > bit of hope that there would be peace. > > > > > > . > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 8:44 AM, GMoney <gm0n3...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Not intentionally lie, just approach the situation with a bias > > > > that steers you in one direction. > > > > > > > > Those who bemoan the Palestinian situation are not without merit. > > > > Israel is not a gentle dove seeking peace above all else. > > > > Decades of fighting for their own survival have left them > > > > paranoid and distrustful. 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