Don't be a moron Scott. Yes, there are victims. Did I say there weren't? But for Maureen to make herself judge and jury on this case just shows that she thinks she know more than she does about everyone's situation and how it should be handled. She's fallen too far on the "woman is never at fault" side of domestic problems.
On 9/10/2014 12:08 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > Ah, yes, Rick, please enlighten us with your tales of working with abuse > victims. I am sure they were all looking for trouble, just like Ray Rice's > fiance, right? > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Rick Faircloth <r...@whitestonemedia.com> > wrote: > >> Oh, bull, Maureen. >> >> You would intervene based on what you think even where you're not wanted >> or welcome. You know everyone's situation just because you've worked with >> "some" cases of abuse. What hubris... >> >> >> On 9/9/2014 10:58 PM, Maureen wrote: >>> He hit her in the face with his fist. If there is never another >>> instance of abuse, that was enough. That is not love, it is control, >>> pure and simple. And no matter what she says, he is an abuser. >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec <gel21...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. >>>> >>>> And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were a >> couple >>>> that had problems, >>>> but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things out, >> and >>>> then this came along and ruined everything for them. >>>> >>>> What would you say then? >>>> >>>> On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment he >> decided >>>>> the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch his >>>>> soon-to-be wife in the face. >>>>> >>>>> I mentioned on Facebook, she is practically a textbook case of someone >> who >>>>> is abused. Letting them 'sort out their problems' may result in her >> death >>>>> (or his if she decides she is tired of being abused). The biggest red >> flag >>>>> is that she has blamed every one, including herself, except for the >> person >>>>> who the the punch. >>>>> >>>>> Do yourself a favor and go on Twitter and search for #WhyIStayed to >> get a >>>>> glimpse of what some victims of abuse go through and what their state >> of >>>>> mind is/was. >>>>> On Sep 9, 2014 9:32 PM, "Vivec" <gel21...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, I know what you meant. >>>>>> But the comparison .... you can't make a comparison like that. >>>>>> >>>>>> And I don't see anything wrong with my view that >>>>>> A) his actions were disproportionate >>>>>> B) It was an altercation between two adults >>>>>> C) they were both to blame for what happened. >>>>>> D) The "intervention" of the media did nothing to help the couple or >>>>> their >>>>>> situation >>>>>> E) Since February there has not been any other reports of domestic >>>>> violence >>>>>> at all. >>>>>> F) There is just not enough evidence at all to say that in that >> couple's >>>>>> relationship there was a history of violence on either side. >>>>>> >>>>>> They were in a Casino, she was stumbling to the elevator, they were >>>>>> probably both very drunk. >>>>>> This isn't an excuse for either of them, but the entire situation >> needs >>>>> to >>>>>> be viewed objectively. >>>>>> Remove the "knockout" , what are you left with? >>>>>> >>>>>> If she's fine, she didn't seek help, they got married...nothing >> happened >>>>>> from February to now... >>>>>> leave the people alone let them sort out their problems and live their >>>>>> life. >>>>>> >>>>>> She is not a little child that needs the world and adults that know >>>>> better >>>>>> to look after her. >>>>>> >>>>>> What the media has done is effectively destroyed a family. They >> haven't >>>>>> helped her, and they haven't helped him. >>>>>> They have destroyed a family. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey, you know what? Maybe in a month more information will come out >> and >>>>> we >>>>>> will find out that it was a horrible abusive relationship. >>>>>> Some cousin or uncle or friend will come out and say , yeah, he was >>>>> always >>>>>> hitting her. Or she was always cussing and hitting him. >>>>>> >>>>>> But as of right now? That's not the case. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9 September 2014 21:11, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am >> giving >>>>>> you >>>>>>> to much credit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick >> would >>>>>>> ever consider. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole >>>>> thread >>>>>>> started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I am >>>>>>> flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. >> It >>>>>> just >>>>>>> does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - >>>>>>> apparently, I am not the only one. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to deserve >>>>> being >>>>>>> punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was never in >>>>>> danger. >>>>>>> His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting him as >>>>> the >>>>>>> victim? >>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, "Vivec" <gel21...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? >>>>>>>> Do you think women are like little kids unable to take >> responsibility >>>>>> for >>>>>>>> their actions, and know right from wrong? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dropping the charges doesn't mean that she didn't do anything, >>>>>>>> it means that the lawyers decided it wasn't worth it to prosecute, >>>>> and >>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> had a stronger case against him. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9 September 2014 20:47, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were later >>>>>>> dropped. >>>>>>>>> He was then charged with aggravated assault. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would you >>>>> guys >>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>> they were also 'looking for trouble'? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372322 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
