Not when you are a public figure. He makes money by being in the spotlight. If it was you or me, then yeah, you would have some ground to stand on with this argument. But this guy is a public figure and shit like this comes with the job. If you do something in public, it get publicized. If that is not what he wants, then he should get a regular job like the rest of us schleps.
I don't know about you, but I have never punched any of my wives or girlfriends in the face and knocked them out...no matter how pissed I was at them and no matter what they did to me. I have even been told I have anger issues and I have never done this to anyone...ever. So no...that is not normal. I don't know what twisted world you live in where that is normal, but if that is, then I don't know what to say. Using violence against someone is inexcusable. It was inexcusable when she did it and it was inexcusable when he did it. It doesn't matter if she hit him first or not. I still think they should both be prosecuted, but I am not privy to the info prosecutors have and maybe they have a good reason as to why charges against her were dropped. -----Original Message----- From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:31 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Ray Rice Scott, families have a right to privacy as well. And couples have disagreements, sometimes violent. SLaps, kicks, pushes, plates thrown, cups thrown.. what world do you live in if you have never seen this happen? It doesn't reach the point of hospital visits, or getting knocked out, or anything of the sort. There is a difference. I didn't see anyone accusing Ellen of being a serial abuser when she grabbed a 9 iron and tried to brain tiger woods with it, then raced after his fleeing car and smashed the windscreen. Fact is the wife has spoken out again in a rage and told all the do gooders , and those that claim they want to "help" her to leave her alone, she isn't in danger or trouble and doesn't need help. She said that she and Rice had issues, and they worked them out and are working them out, and all the public and media is doing is destroying him and their family. But I forgot, women are like 12 year old kids who can't make decisions, or take responsibility for their actions. This woman in particular needs the media, you and the rest of the world to tell her what to do, and what to think, and how to behave since you have all labelled her a broken battered person who needs the state to care for her. I find that offensive. Because you have zero information to support that position, so far no one does. No one has respected this woman, her rights or her privacy. She and Rice have been used for ratings and to make money. Their situation has been exploited. If TMZ wanted to help, they could have quietly called her and spoken to her, rather than splashed that video for the world to see. If the NFL wanted to do anything but protect its name and its image they could have sent people to speak to BOTH of them, trained professionals, to find out what the hell was going on with its player and his family life. No one wants to help, and no one cares whether help is needed or not. This is about money at this point. And I find it ridiculous that so many are pretending it is about the woman. It isn't. It never was. TMZ has just made millions from a domestic dispute between a husband and wife, and ruined both their lives in the process. Somehow, this is a win for human and civil rights, the women's rights movement, a win against domestic violence, and a feel good moment for many people who can pat themselves on the back and say to themselves " Yes..Justice has been done" Or " At least this poor woman won't go through what I went through" (nevermind they have no damned clue if she's going through anything at all). Ridiculous. On 10 September 2014 08:11, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: > > You don't see that by saying '...if his soon-to-be wife hadn't > assaulted him, he never would have struck back.' You are essentially > saying, 'she deserved it' or 'she was asking for it'? Maybe if she > stayed in the kitchen making him sandwiches, non of this would have happened, right Rick? > > Typical, misogynistic bullshit. > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Rick Faircloth > <r...@whitestonemedia.com > > > wrote: > > > > > You're absolute right, Scott. Actions have consequences. EVERYONE'S > > action have consequences. > > Even a woman's actions can have consequences. Typical "women are > > never at fault for anything and men are the cause of all trouble in > > the world" feminism. > > > > I'll bet that if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never > > would have struck back. > > > > That's a safe bet that I'll take. > > > > > > On 9/10/2014 12:03 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > I would say that he caused the problem the moment he decided that > > punching > > > his soon-to-be wife in the face was the best way to respond to the > > > situation. > > > > > > There is no one else to blame but him. He threw the punch - no one > else. > > > > > > Actions have consequences, it is about time some of these > > > professional athletes realize that. > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec <gel21...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. > > >> > > >> And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were > > >> a > > couple > > >> that had problems, > > >> but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things > > >> out, > > and > > >> then this came along and ruined everything for them. > > >> > > >> What would you say then? > > >> > > >> On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >>> The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment > > >>> he > > decided > > >>> the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch > > >>> his soon-to-be wife in the face. > > >>> > > >>> I mentioned on Facebook, she is practically a textbook case of > someone > > >> who > > >>> is abused. Letting them 'sort out their problems' may result in > > >>> her > > death > > >>> (or his if she decides she is tired of being abused). The > > >>> biggest red > > >> flag > > >>> is that she has blamed every one, including herself, except for > > >>> the > > >> person > > >>> who the the punch. > > >>> > > >>> Do yourself a favor and go on Twitter and search for #WhyIStayed > > >>> to > > get a > > >>> glimpse of what some victims of abuse go through and what their > > >>> state > > of > > >>> mind is/was. > > >>> On Sep 9, 2014 9:32 PM, "Vivec" <gel21...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Yeah, I know what you meant. > > >>>> But the comparison .... you can't make a comparison like that. > > >>>> > > >>>> And I don't see anything wrong with my view that > > >>>> A) his actions were disproportionate > > >>>> B) It was an altercation between two adults > > >>>> C) they were both to blame for what happened. > > >>>> D) The "intervention" of the media did nothing to help the > > >>>> couple or > > >>> their > > >>>> situation > > >>>> E) Since February there has not been any other reports of > > >>>> domestic > > >>> violence > > >>>> at all. > > >>>> F) There is just not enough evidence at all to say that in that > > >> couple's > > >>>> relationship there was a history of violence on either side. > > >>>> > > >>>> They were in a Casino, she was stumbling to the elevator, they > > >>>> were probably both very drunk. > > >>>> This isn't an excuse for either of them, but the entire > > >>>> situation > > needs > > >>> to > > >>>> be viewed objectively. > > >>>> Remove the "knockout" , what are you left with? > > >>>> > > >>>> If she's fine, she didn't seek help, they got married...nothing > > >> happened > > >>>> from February to now... > > >>>> leave the people alone let them sort out their problems and > > >>>> live > their > > >>>> life. > > >>>> > > >>>> She is not a little child that needs the world and adults that > > >>>> know > > >>> better > > >>>> to look after her. > > >>>> > > >>>> What the media has done is effectively destroyed a family. They > > haven't > > >>>> helped her, and they haven't helped him. > > >>>> They have destroyed a family. > > >>>> > > >>>> Hey, you know what? Maybe in a month more information will come > > >>>> out > > and > > >>> we > > >>>> will find out that it was a horrible abusive relationship. > > >>>> Some cousin or uncle or friend will come out and say , yeah, he > > >>>> was > > >>> always > > >>>> hitting her. Or she was always cussing and hitting him. > > >>>> > > >>>> But as of right now? That's not the case. > > >>>> > > >>>> On 9 September 2014 21:11, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I > > >>>>> am > > >> giving > > >>>> you > > >>>>> to much credit. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something > > >>>>> Rick > > >> would > > >>>>> ever consider. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this > > >>>>> whole > > >>> thread > > >>>>> started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, > > >>>>> I am flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. > > >> It > > >>>> just > > >>>>> does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years > > >>>>> - apparently, I am not the only one. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to > > >>>>> deserve > > >>> being > > >>>>> punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was > > >>>>> never in > > >>>> danger. > > >>>>> His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting > > >>>>> him > as > > >>> the > > >>>>> victim? > > >>>>> On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, "Vivec" <gel21...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? > > >>>>>> Do you think women are like little kids unable to take > > >> responsibility > > >>>> for > > >>>>>> their actions, and know right from wrong? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Dropping the charges doesn't mean that she didn't do > > >>>>>> anything, it means that the lawyers decided it wasn't worth > > >>>>>> it to prosecute, > > >>> and > > >>>>> they > > >>>>>> had a stronger case against him. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On 9 September 2014 20:47, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were > > >>>>>>> later > > >>>>> dropped. > > >>>>>>> He was then charged with aggravated assault. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would > > >>>>>>> you > > >>> guys > > >>>>>> think > > >>>>>>> they were also 'looking for trouble'? > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372340 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
