Only in the US. In Canada the government works, mostly. larry
At 07:38 AM 11/25/02 -0500, you wrote: > >> its a non-partisan, non-political government committee > >Doesn't that violate the laws of physics? > >Tim > >-----Original Message----- >From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 10:47 PM >To: CF-Community >Subject: Re: Moron? > > >Kevin, > >The electoral system in Canada is out of the hands of the political >parties, and subject to a crown commission. You don't have an >analogy or similar governmental mechanism in the US so its kind of >hard to explain, except to say that its a non-partisan, non-political >government committee that decides on the boundaries for the various >representative districts, enumerates the voters within those >districts and runs the polling places for the elections that take >place 6 weeks after the governor general dissolves parliament. In >other words its a very different system from the US. > >larry > > >So much for the 2 party system ehh... > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Eric Dawson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 9:10 PM > >Subject: Re: Moron? > > > > > >> > >http://www.elections.ca/content.asp?section=pol&document=index&dir=par&lang= > >e&textonly=false > >> > >> Standing Parties in the House of Commons > >> Liberal > >> Canadian Alliance > >> Bloc QuEbEcois > >> N.D.P. > >> Progressive Conservative > >> > >> What is a political party? > >> > >> The Act does not attempt to define or describe a political party. > >Generally > >> speaking, a political party is a group of people who together establish a > >> constitution, elect a leader and other officers, and endorse candidates > >for > >> election to the House of Commons. > >> > >> The Act uses the following terms: > >> > >> eligible party: a party that has applied for registration under the Act, > >but > >> has yet to fulfill some of the conditions to become a registered party > >> > >> registered party: a party is registered under the Act if it succeeds in > >> endorsing 50 or more confirmed candidates in a general election and meets > >> certain other conditions > >> > >> suspended party: a registered party whose registration has been suspended > >> because it has failed to maintain, at a subsequent election, the > >conditions > >> to keep its status as a registered party. > >> > >> Registered Political Parties > >> ============================ > >> Bloc QuEbEcois > >> Canadian Action Party > >> Canadian Reform Conservative Alliance (Canadian Alliance) > >> Communist Party of Canada > >> Liberal Party of Canada > >> Marijuana Party > >> Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada > >> Natural Law Party of Canada > >> New Democratic Party > >> Progressive Conservative Party of Canada > >> The Green Party of Canada > >> > >> Eligible Political Party > >> ======================== > >> Christian Heritage Party > >> National Alternative Party of Canada > >> The Ontario Party of Canada > >> > >> From: "Kevin Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Subject: Re: Moron? > >> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:59:39 -0600 > >> > >> Ok, post the link. Objective? I didn't see any partisan bias on the > page > >I > >> sent, only party names addressed and URLs? > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 5:31 PM > >> Subject: Re: Moron? > >> > >> > >> > Elections Canada is a much more reliable and objective source. > >> > > >> > larry > >> > > >> > >http://www.altstuff.com/federal.htm > >> > > > >> > >Thats where I got the parties from. > >> > > > >> > >----- Original Message ----- > >> > >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 10:24 PM > > > > >Subject: Re: Moron? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> No that was done in the last few federal elections, with > Canadians > > > > >> sweeping the Conservative Party under the rug, and letting the > >other > >> > >> parties, ie the National Alliance, humiliate themselves, mind you > >> > >> Stockton Day was even more clueless than the present nominee > of the > >> > >> Republican party for the next presidential election. > >> > >> > >> > >> As for the number of political parties, I've always followed the > >> > >> rules of Parliamentary Procedure for the Canadian House of > Commons, > >> > >> > >> > >> "How to register a political party > > > > >> > >> > >> Forming a political party and registering a political party are > >> > >> completely different, in that there is no legislation regulating > >the > >> > >> formation of political parties. However, once a party is formed it > >> > >> may apply to be registered. After its registration is > approved, the > >> > >> party will then be governed by rules under the Canada Elections > >Act. > >> > >> > >> > >> Applications for registration must be filed with the Chief > >Electoral > >> > >> Officer for verification and approval at least 60 days before the > > > > >> writs are issued. Once approved, a party earns the right to be > >> > >> included in the allocation of broadcasting time, to issue official > >> > >> tax receipts for donations, and to have its name included on the > >> > >> election ballot. > >> > >> > >> > >> It is important to note that official registration can take effect > >> > >> only the day after the new party officially nominates > candidates in > >> > >> at least 50 electoral districts at a general election. When an > >> > >> application is filed less than 60 days before the writs are > issued, > >> > >> registration cannot take effect for that general election. > >> > >> > >> > >> To maintain its registration, a registered political party must > >> > >> nominate candidates in at least 50 electoral districts at a > general > >> > >> election. Under the law, failure to do so must result in > >> > >> deregistration of that party by the Chief Electoral Officer. > >> > >> > >> > >> There were 13 political parties registered before the 36th federal > >> > >> election was called, and four parties had been accepted for > >> > >> registration." > >> > >> > >> > >> Not sure where you get 37 parties from. But these are just the > >> > >> official ones - parties that were able to nomimate people to > run in > >> > >> at least 50 ridings. > >> > >> > >> > >> larry > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >Ok. It's secret Candian speak. He said Liberals, but it was > >secret > >> code > >> > >> >for the Liberal Party. So, what are the codes for the other > >> "Liberal" > >> > >> >parties in Canada. Does Ultra-Liberal mean the New Democratic > >> Party? > >> > >Just > >> > >> >seems like Larry is trying to bend his words, and restate what > >they > >> guy > >> > >said > >> > >> >to fit his argument. > >> > >> > > >> > >> >I did some checking and there are about 37 different Federtal > >> political > >> > >> >parties in Canada. It seems as though there are several > >> Conservative > >> > >> >parties there...I nosed around a few websites. I liked the > >> Christian > >> > >> >Heritage party site....of course the Marijuana party website and > >> > >> >Marxist-Leninist Party website were interesting in their own > >right. > >> > >There > >> > >> >is even a Libertarian party in Canada. While Liberals (and I > >don't > >> mean > >> > >the > >> > >> >Liberal Party) may be the majority in Canada, I don't think that > >you > >> can > >> > >> >just sweep the conservative parties under the rug as Larry wishes > >> too. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> > >> >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> >Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 4:44 PM > >> > >> >Subject: Re: Moron? > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> >> Eric, > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> Its a Canadian thing. He wouldn't understand. > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> And now for the traditional Winnipeg greeting, > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> How 'bout them Bombers eh? > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> larry > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> >But I agree with Larry, he said Liberals, and meant the > >Liberal > >> > >Party. > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> >e > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> >From: "Kevin Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > > >> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> >> >To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> >> >Subject: Re: Moron? > >> > >> >> >Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:47:26 -0600 > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> >Doesn't sound like he is referring to the "Liberal Party" is > >he > >> were > >> > >you > >> > >> >> >think he would have said "the Liberal Party", not Liberals. > >> > >> >> >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> >> >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> >> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> >> >Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 6:21 AM > >> > >> >> >Subject: Re: Moron? > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > He was referring to the LIberal Party. He was doing his > >job > >> as > >> > >> > > > > Foreign Relations minister (placating the US), and he is > >> also > >> > >running > >> > >> >> > > in the forthcoming leadership election. It doesn't > >> invalidate > >> > >what > > > > >> >> > > I've been saying. > >> > >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > > larry > >> > >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > > >54po0rfff2vb23Larry, > >> > >> >> > > > > >> > >> >> > > >I guess the whole country tilts to the left. So I shall > >> say > >> she > >> > >is > >> > >> >a > >> > >> >> >member > >> > >> >> > > >of "a" left wing party. Doesn't matter how left they > >are, > >> or it > >> > >> >they > >> > >> >> >are > >> > >> >> > > >the most or least left. My statement that she > belongs to > >> the > >> > >> >liberal > >> > >> >> >left > >> > >> >> > > >is accurate. I based my statement off of one of the > many > >> > >articles > >> > >> >> > > >avaialable on the Toronto Star. > >> > >> >> > > > > >> > >> >> > > >>From the Toronto Star: > >> > >> >> > > > > >> > >> >> > > >"Earlier Friday, Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham > >said > >> the > >> > >> >reported > >> > >> >> > > >remarks won't sour Canada-U.S. relations." > >> > >> >> > > > > >> > >> >> > > >"Graham said he "didn't accept the premise" that the > >> > >relationship > >> > >> >has > >> > >> > > > > >worsened significantly under a perception of > >> anti-Americanism > >> > >among > >> > >> >some > >> > >> > > > > >Liberals." > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > >So obviously there are people there who are not liberal > >> > >otherwise he > >> > >> >> >would > >> > >> >> > > >have substituted Canadians instead of liberals. > >> > >> >> > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > >> > >> >> > > >----- Original Message ----- > >> > >> >> > > >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> >> > > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> >> > > >Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 6:13 PM > >> > >> >> > > >Subject: Re: Moron? > >> > >> >> > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> ROFL! > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > > >> You may want to check on the name of the Party, its > >> called > >> > >the > >> > >> >> > > >> Liberal Party. Its a center moderate party. The left > >> wing > >> in > >> > >> >Canada > >> > >> >> > > >> is the New Democratic Party. The right wing is > >> represented > >> > >by > >> > >> >the > >> > >> >> > > >> National Alliance party (and the remnants of the > >> Progressive > >> > >> >> > > >> Conservative party). All over the place is the Bloc > >> > >Quebecois. > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > > >> You need to get the facts correct. The LIberals are > >> middle of > >> > >the > >> > >> >> > > >> road, more like Democrats yes, but by no means what > >you > >> would > >> > >> >call > >> > >> >> > > >> liberal, to Canadians. Mind you compared to most > >> political > >> > >> >attitudes > >> > >> >> > > >> in the US, the National Alliance Party is more > akin to > >> the > >> > >> >Democrats. > >> > >> >> > > >> The only groups that are akin to American > >conservatives > >> are > >> > >> >generally > >> > >> >> > > >> considered to be on the far right fringe in Canada. > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > > >> Another case of Prime Minister Poutine again I guess. > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > > >> larry > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > > >> >Larry, > >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> >You should mention Canadian "Liberal" > perceptiveness. > >> After > >> > >all > >> > >> >he > >> > >> >> >is a > >> > >> >> > > >> >member of the left wing party in Canada. There was > >> outrage > >> > >> >> >expressed > >> > >> >> >by > >> > >> >> > > >the > >> > >> >> > > >> >right in Canada. Nothing more than politics. > >> > >> >> > > >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> > >> >> > > >> >From: "Larry Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >> >> > > >> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> >> > > >> >Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 12:56 PM > >> > >> >> > > >> >Subject: RE: Moron? > >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> >> just typical Canadian perceptiveness. The aide > >will > >> > >probably > >> > >> >> >resign or > >> > >> >> > > >be > >> > >> >> > > >> >> fired, but probably will be rehired in a short > >> while, > >> > >since > >> > >> >he > >> > >> >> > > >probably > >> > >> >> > > >> >> looks like a hero to many Canadians. Bush is not > >at > >> all > >> > >> >popular > >> > >> >> > > >outside of > >> > >> >> > > >> >> the US. > >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > >> >> > > >> >> Besides if the US wants to complain, then the > Bush > >> > >> >administration > >> > >> >> > > >should > >> > >> >> > > >> >> clean up its own house first. > >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > >> >> > > >> >> larry > >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > >> >> > > >> >> -- > >> > >> >> > > >> >> Larry C. 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