lol...not me...I'm a peaceloving tree hugger right.

will

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 21 March 2003 16:12
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Prime Minister's Address to the Nation...


CF FIGHT CF FIGHT!!! *Chants*
----- Original Message -----
From: "Will Swain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 10:50 AM
Subject: RE: Prime Minister's Address to the Nation...


So let me get this right.

Your main problem with the UN is that it includes countries that aren't
western?

And what is this with western beliefs involving private weapon ownership? I
think you'll find that isn't the case, unless by western you mean American?

will

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 21 March 2003 15:31
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Prime Minister's Address to the Nation...


Bullshyte.

I'm sorry but I despise the UN more than any other organization in the
world.  I mean you have a gathering of all these nations to try and make
them feel important, the only problem with it is that it's made up primarily
of enemies of the US. and western culture in general. Many of the policies
espoused by the organization are anathema to western beliefs, such as
banning private weapons, enforced abortion to control populations, and
redistribution of wealth.

There are cultures on this planet that are directly in conflict with what
many of us believe.  In some cases conflict for which there can be NO
compromise.

I will not allow a "doctor" to mutilate my daughters genitals, and I think
that anyone that would do so is evil.  I will not agree with partial birth
abortion, because that is a child.  I will not agree with government with
full media control, or government that can intrude in your private life and
property without warrant.

I know that we have a government that is slowly (it's getting faster)
encroaching on our civil rights.  We need to make sure that everything is ok
here, that we defend our civil rights at home, and we need to ensure that
our interests and national security is protected overseas.

I will be honest, I had some question as to my personal support for this
war.  I hesitated in making comments against it because if my support for
the soldiers involved.  Now with the missile launches, oil fires and such, I
do not see how anyone could be against this engagement.

I don't know, all I know is it's time for us to be out of the US once and
for all.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 9:34 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Prime Minister's Address to the Nation...


The UNSC is the police in that metaphor, and in a way that's exactly
what they are supposed to be.

-----Original Message-----
From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 21 March 2003 14:26
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Prime Minister's Address to the Nation...


Since when are we the police?

Not that I'm taking Saddam's side, that's just a bad metaphor.

M

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 5:01 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Prime Minister's Address to the Nation...


I can't believe what I'm reading, do you seriously mean that or are you
winding me up?????

If you're holding a gun and waving it about, and some big police man
tells you to put it down while pointing his bigger gun at you, do you
keep hold of your gun so you can fight back? Or do you do as you're told
and put it down? Anyone with any sense puts his gun down right?

Scuds are banned under several UNSC resolutions, he said he'd destroyed
them and didn't have any left etc etc, clearly that's utter bs as he's
fired around 10 into Kuwait in the last few days. If he's lied about
Scuds, what else is he lying about? Probably an awful lot, and you see
that as 'Hardly likely to be a big problem', wtf??? Are you on crack
this morning Will?

Don't get me wrong, war is horrific and I'm seriously concerned about
the timing of the action, perhaps in a few months after the weapons
inspectors realised for sure that Saddam was lying, the whole
international community would have been behind it, but there is no doubt
in my mind that sooner or later this was necessary.

-----Original Message-----
From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 21 March 2003 09:42
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Prime Minister's Address to the Nation...


Not really. I find it incredible that anyone seriously thought he would
disarm. Would you, with an aggresive force sitting on your doorstep?
That's like saying, how far do you want me to bend over.

So he has a few scuds? Hardly likely to be a big problem, and lets be
honest, if we weren't invading him we'd never know about them.....

will



-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 21 March 2003 09:34
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Prime Minister's Address to the Nation...


Hmm, that wasn't the point was it?

Point is, he's using weapons only hours bfore he swore he didn't have,
extra proof of what kind of man he is, or was (hopefully), and of why he
needs to be dealt with.

-----Original Message-----
From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 21 March 2003 09:32
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Prime Minister's Address to the Nation...


Nope....you don't kick a dog and then complain when it bites you.

will

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 21 March 2003 09:09
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Prime Minister's Address to the Nation...


Has your opinion now changed at all since Saddam has used 'banned' scud
missiles that he promised he didn't have?

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 21 March 2003 02:27
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Prime Minister's Address to the Nation...


Candace, et al.

Our Prime Minister is a horrible, xenophobic man whose driving policy
dictate is to be as sycophantic as possible to his masters in the White
House. Popular support for a war on Iraq without explicit, non-vetoed UN
approval is virtually non-existent here, and through his actions, PM
Howard has made Australia an aggressor rogue state, and therefore no
better than the despotic regime in Iraq itself. Today, I am ashamed to
be an Australian. I am ashamed for Australia, the US and the UK.  I can
only hope that the full force of UN sanctions and International Criminal
Court charges are brought heavily upon those in power here and in other
countries who are a part of the so-called "coalition of the willing".

Not this war
Not in my name
Not without UNSC approval

Steve Collins (www.stephencollins.org)
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