No, the pacifist medics should be nude with big bullseyes on their chests and backs...
-----Original Message----- From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:34 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: A good american Where did this medic myth come from? All the ones I knew carried 9 mils, Shotguns or M-4s. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:30 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: A good american I don't have to wonder. I have been in plenty of dangerous situations with and without weapons; they just weren't military. I did not want to be a soldier because it involves being told to kill people. Some of those people would probably rather not be there. Some, like the Iraqis, are doing no more than I would do. You invade my country, I fight. Sometimes it is necessary to kill anyway. A Nazi soldier preparing the way for the rest of his army comes to mind. But a soldier surrenders that choice and I do not want to do that. The distinction I make about srving as a medic is that I am not expected to kill on command. However we need a military and I am not belittling the choice or the courage of the people who sign up; just saying it is not me. Dana John Stanley writes: > You can also look at this. What kind of person do you think you are, and > what kind of person are you, really? > > By that I mean, I wonder what percentage of people who before they were put > into a battle situation thought that they would fight for their cause with > the same valor and heroism as those they had learned about before, only to > freeze up and not be able to do a damn thing as the enormity of it all came > crashing down upon them. > > And how many people went in with the mind set that they were weak and not a > fighter, only to be able to close their mind and perform the task at hand > with no problems at all? > > I say that I would fight for my country. I say that I would give my life for > my country, so that my children don't have to. But i REALLY dont know what I > would do until the situation presents itself. Would my mind snap and I lay > on the ground whimpering like a little kid? Or would I pick up a rifle and > shoot the eye out of the next agressor while smoking a cigarette and humming > along to Dixie? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:43 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: A good american > > > well, if you object to killing people why enlist, is my question. I for > example took great care to never enlist for exactly this reason. If the US > was invaded then I would be willing to do medic, I guess. Might still lead > to having to kill someone but it would not be my actual function. > > Dana > > John Stanley writes: > > > That's why I specifically stated about the US being invaded. I think that > if > > you enlist and there is a war in another country, and you object to > killing > > another person for whatever reason, you should get another job, but still > on > > the front line, like a medic or something. > > > > Basically it boils down to this: I as a citizen am willing to do whatever > my > > country asks of me. I want to punish those who would not do the same. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:29 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: A good american > > > > > > thats if the US is invaded though. (I am not going to go into conscientous > > (sp?) objectors; I think some are genuine but if the country is being > > invaded they should serve *somehow*) > > > > My problem is when people extrapolate this to all other situations. We > > invade Iraq and gee if you don't support this you are a coward. I > disagree. > > > > Dana > > > > > > John Stanley writes: > > > > > Simple situation: > > > > > > If a country invaded the united states, and everyone had to choose > (which > > is > > > what would happen) > > > > > > You would either: > > > 1. fight for the US (patriot) > > > 2. fight against the US (traitor) > > > 3. not fight (coward) > > > > > > That's it. > > > > > > If you object to fighting on the basis of some personal moral decision > > when > > > your homeland is at stake, then you are a coward. > > > > > > If you are drafted and you choose not to fight then you are a coward. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:16 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: A good american > > > > > > > > > Buddism. > > > > > > If you can call the Dali Lama a coward, you don't know the story. > > > > > > I must admit I find your conviction that anyone who doesn't go in guns > > > blazing is a coward to be very depressing, I hope that that sort of > > > ultra aggressive attitude will die out soon. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:09 > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: Re: A good american > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course I hold them in contempt, and likewise term them > > > > "Cowards" There is no recognized religion that opposes war, > > > > none at all. In fact all of them have a history of > > > > oppression, war, exploiting the meek, preferring to keep the > > > > faithful ignorant, and couching their dogma is falsehoods and > > > > deception. There is no sincere opposition to armed conflict, > > > > only cowardice. Genuine Conscientious Objectors are nothing > > > > more than cowards, and as such are parasitic upon legitimate > > > > government and its loyal people. They should all be either > > > > exported or executed. > > > > > > > > You sadly misquote Ghandi, Mother Theresa and Martin Luther > > > > King. and are completely wrong about the Mennonites. > > > > > > > > But, you will survive, because the majority of the citizenry > > > > will bear arms to defend your rights and constitutional > > > > protections, as well as permitting you to espouse your lies > > > > and deceptions. > > > > > > > > > > > > ====================================== > > > > Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! > > > > For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com > > > > ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 > > > > ====================================== > > > > If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:52 AM > > > > Subject: RE: A good american > > > > > > > > > > > > | So I take it that you hold in contempt those who have a sincere, > > > > | religious or otherwise, conviction that serving in the military is > > > > | wrong. Its great to know that there are those who would gladly > > > > | persecute others based on their beliefs. Genuine conscientious > > > > | objectors would fall under your rubric. People like Ghandi, Mother > > > > | Teresa, Martin Luther King etc have those beliefs. There are other > > > > | groups like the Mennonites who also have very strong > > > > religious beliefs > > > > | against serving in the military. > > > > | > > > > | Such ignorance is appalling. > > > > | > > > > | larry > > > > | > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
