ok, seriously, I dunno if it is a myth, but I am assuming the primary role of a medic is not combat? In other words, they might carry a gun, and even use it if necessary, but they would not for example be ordered to go take hill 409, or whatever. If I were on the front lines I would *want* a gun. Self defense, defense of patients if necessary. That was the distinction I was making in my mind, and if I am wrong about that, please feel free to explain how. You do of course know more about military procedure tha I do.
Dana On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:35:04 -0400, John Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, the pacifist medics should be nude with big bullseyes on their chests > and backs... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:34 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: A good american > > > Where did this medic myth come from? > > All the ones I knew carried 9 mils, Shotguns or M-4s. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:30 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: A good american > > > I don't have to wonder. I have been in plenty of dangerous situations > with > and without weapons; they just weren't military. > > I did not want to be a soldier because it involves being told to kill > people. Some of those people would probably rather not be there. Some, > like > the Iraqis, are doing no more than I would do. You invade my country, I > fight. Sometimes it is necessary to kill anyway. A Nazi soldier preparing > the way for the rest of his army comes to mind. But a soldier surrenders > that choice and I do not want to do that. The distinction I make about > srving as a medic is that I am not expected to kill on command. > However we need a military and I am not belittling the choice or the > courage of the people who sign up; just saying it is not me. > > Dana > > John Stanley writes: > >> You can also look at this. What kind of person do you think you are, and >> what kind of person are you, really? >> >> By that I mean, I wonder what percentage of people who before they were > put >> into a battle situation thought that they would fight for their cause >> with >> the same valor and heroism as those they had learned about before, only >> to >> freeze up and not be able to do a damn thing as the enormity of it all > came >> crashing down upon them. >> >> And how many people went in with the mind set that they were weak and >> not > a >> fighter, only to be able to close their mind and perform the task at >> hand >> with no problems at all? >> >> I say that I would fight for my country. I say that I would give my life > for >> my country, so that my children don't have to. But i REALLY dont know >> what > I >> would do until the situation presents itself. Would my mind snap and I >> lay >> on the ground whimpering like a little kid? Or would I pick up a rifle >> and >> shoot the eye out of the next agressor while smoking a cigarette and > humming >> along to Dixie? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:43 PM >> To: CF-Community >> Subject: Re: A good american >> >> >> well, if you object to killing people why enlist, is my question. I for >> example took great care to never enlist for exactly this reason. If the >> US >> was invaded then I would be willing to do medic, I guess. Might still > lead >> to having to kill someone but it would not be my actual function. >> >> Dana >> >> John Stanley writes: >> >> > That's why I specifically stated about the US being invaded. I think > that >> if >> > you enlist and there is a war in another country, and you object to >> killing >> > another person for whatever reason, you should get another job, but > still >> on >> > the front line, like a medic or something. > > Basically it boils down >> to this: I as a citizen am willing to do > whatever >> my >> > country asks of me. I want to punish those who would not do the same. >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:29 PM >> > To: CF-Community >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> > > > thats if the US is invaded though. (I am not going to go into > conscientous >> > (sp?) objectors; I think some are genuine but if the country is being >> > invaded they should serve *somehow*) >> > > My problem is when people extrapolate this to all other situations. >> We >> > invade Iraq and gee if you don't support this you are a coward. I >> disagree. >> > > Dana >> > > > John Stanley writes: >> > > > Simple situation: >> > > > > If a country invaded the united states, and everyone had to >> choose >> (which >> > is >> > > what would happen) >> > > > > You would either: >> > > 1. fight for the US (patriot) >> > > 2. fight against the US (traitor) >> > > 3. not fight (coward) >> > > > > That's it. >> > > > > If you object to fighting on the basis of some personal moral >> decision >> > when >> > > your homeland is at stake, then you are a coward. >> > > > > If you are drafted and you choose not to fight then you are a >> coward. >> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:16 PM >> > > To: CF-Community >> > > Subject: RE: A good american >> > > > > > > Buddism. >> > > > > If you can call the Dali Lama a coward, you don't know the >> story. >> > > > > I must admit I find your conviction that anyone who doesn't go >> in guns >> > > blazing is a coward to be very depressing, I hope that that sort of >> > > ultra aggressive attitude will die out soon. >> > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: 11 June >> 2003 16:09 >> > > > To: CF-Community >> > > > Subject: Re: A good american >> > > > > > > > > > Of course I hold them in contempt, and likewise term >> them > > > "Cowards" There is no recognized religion that opposes war, > >> > > none at all. In fact all of them have a history of > > > >> oppression, war, exploiting the meek, preferring to keep the > > > >> faithful ignorant, and couching their dogma is falsehoods and > > > >> deception. There is no sincere opposition to armed conflict, > > > only >> cowardice. Genuine Conscientious Objectors are nothing > > > more than >> cowards, and as such are parasitic upon legitimate > > > government and >> its loyal people. They should all be either > > > exported or executed. >> > > > > > > You sadly misquote Ghandi, Mother Theresa and Martin Luther >> > > > King. and are completely wrong about the Mennonites. >> > > > > > > But, you will survive, because the majority of the citizenry >> > > > will bear arms to defend your rights and constitutional > > > >> protections, as well as permitting you to espouse your lies > > > and >> deceptions. >> > > > > > > > > > ====================================== >> > > > Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! >> > > > For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com >> > > > ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 >> > > > ====================================== >> > > > If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! >> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Larry C. Lyons" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:52 AM >> > > > Subject: RE: A good american >> > > > > > > > > > | So I take it that you hold in contempt those who >> have a sincere, > > > | religious or otherwise, conviction that serving >> in the military is > >> > > > | wrong. Its great to know that there are those who would gladly > >> > > | persecute others based on their beliefs. Genuine conscientious > > >> > | objectors would fall under your rubric. People like Ghandi, Mother > >> > > > | Teresa, Martin Luther King etc have those beliefs. There are >> other > >> > > > | groups like the Mennonites who also have very strong > > > >> religious beliefs > > > | against serving in the military. >> > > > | >> > > > | Such ignorance is appalling. >> > > > | >> > > > | larry >> > > > | >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
