I think that every war we have fought since the end of WW2 has been unconstitutional. I also think that we need to bring all of our troops deployed overseas home, think of the revitalization efforts we could foster by placing the bases we would need in very poor areas of the U.S.
Tim -----Original Message----- From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 12:18 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: US Citizenship Test you are right that they were rhetorical questions. But Um, I think you are wrong in your definition of a declaration of war, if only in that there was a draft in Vietnam, and afaik war never was declared. In my opinion when you send troops into a country against its wishes then you are at war. Liberia does not qualify because (I believe?) the people have requested our help in keeping order. I don't believe that war was declared in Korea, but it's been quite a while since my US-World Relations class. As I look over the list (Vietnam, Korea, Somalia, Iraq...) it occurs to me that waiting a few days for Congress to vote might *avoid* major problems. I mean, if we are going to take a strict interpretation of the Constittution everywhere else (guns, speech) then why not here? Nick McClure writes: > OK, well I assume you are asking these questions rhetorically, but > > The Constitution gives Congress the sole power of the purse, it gives > congress the ability to declare war, but it gives the President control > over the army. The Declaration of war is more than just the deployment of > troops. > > It is the total full out war effort for the country, when congress declares > war they enable certain things like the raising of an army via a draft, > public food and materials rationing, the ability to quarter troops in the > houses of the people, an number of other things. > > Was war declared in Korea? I don't know how that worked, that was a UN > action against communism, I don't know the details of the political > environment. > > The other ones, was war declared, nope, but aside from Vietnam, they were > not in my mind wars, a war to implies a lot more. > > The President is Commander in Chief of the armed forces, and therefore can > send the troops anywhere he wants anytime he wants. He does have to use > Congress to get funding. > > Congress has passed laws allowing the President and in some cases other > government agencies to use the military to operate when needed. In this day > and age waiting a few extra days for Congress to declare war could cause > major problems. > > What about when we send troops to Liberia, should we declare war on > Liberia, we have troops on the ground, are they at war, should we have a > formal declaration of war to send 2000 troops to keep the peace? > > At 03:55 AM 7/7/2003 +0000, you wrote: > >ok, I guess you can disregard the question I just sent you about the > >Patriot Act :) > > > >A couple of questions. Does the Constitution say that Congress will pass a > >budget so that Congress is not called unpatrotic and against our boys, or > >does the Constitution say that Congress will declare war? > > > >Second question, did Congress declare war on Grenada? Iraq I? Vietnam? (or > >was that the Gulf of Tonkin that McNamara admitted lying to Congress > >about?) Either way, did Congress declare war on North Korea? What about all > >those actions in Central America over the fruit interests? Did Congress > >declare war there? > > > >Dana > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
