I'm certainly in favour of getting US troops out of the UK, it would mean that the US would lose a big part of its "communications" capability though - http://cndyorks.gn.apc.org/mhs/
> -----Original Message----- > From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 07 July 2003 16:36 > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: US Citizenship Test > > > I think that every war we have fought since the end of WW2 > has been unconstitutional. I also think that we need to > bring all of our troops deployed overseas home, think of the > revitalization efforts we could foster by placing the bases > we would need in very poor areas of the U.S. > > Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 12:18 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: US Citizenship Test > > > you are right that they were rhetorical questions. But Um, I > think you are wrong in your definition of a declaration of > war, if only in that there was a draft in Vietnam, and afaik > war never was declared. > > In my opinion when you send troops into a country against its > wishes then you are at war. Liberia does not qualify because > (I believe?) the people have requested our help in keeping > order. I don't believe that war was declared in Korea, but > it's been quite a while since my US-World Relations class. > > As I look over the list (Vietnam, Korea, Somalia, Iraq...) it > occurs to me that waiting a few days for Congress to vote > might *avoid* major problems. I mean, if we are going to take > a strict interpretation of the Constittution everywhere else > (guns, speech) then why not here? > > Nick McClure writes: > > > OK, well I assume you are asking these questions rhetorically, but > > > > The Constitution gives Congress the sole power of the > purse, it gives > > congress the ability to declare war, but it gives the > President control > > over the army. The Declaration of war is more than just the > deployment of > > troops. > > > > It is the total full out war effort for the country, when congress > declares > > war they enable certain things like the raising of an army via a > > draft, > > public food and materials rationing, the ability to quarter > troops in the > > houses of the people, an number of other things. > > > > Was war declared in Korea? I don't know how that worked, > that was a UN > > action against communism, I don't know the details of the political > > environment. > > > > The other ones, was war declared, nope, but aside from > Vietnam, they > > were > > not in my mind wars, a war to implies a lot more. > > > > The President is Commander in Chief of the armed forces, > and therefore > > can > > > send the troops anywhere he wants anytime he wants. He does have to > > use > > Congress to get funding. > > > > Congress has passed laws allowing the President and in some cases > > other > > government agencies to use the military to operate when > needed. In this > day > > and age waiting a few extra days for Congress to declare war could > > cause > > major problems. > > > > What about when we send troops to Liberia, should we declare war on > > Liberia, we have troops on the ground, are they at war, > should we have a > > formal declaration of war to send 2000 troops to keep the peace? > > > > At 03:55 AM 7/7/2003 +0000, you wrote: > > >ok, I guess you can disregard the question I just sent you > about the > > >Patriot Act :) > > > > > >A couple of questions. Does the Constitution say that > Congress will > > >pass > a > > >budget so that Congress is not called unpatrotic and against our > > >boys, or does the Constitution say that Congress will declare war? > > > > > >Second question, did Congress declare war on Grenada? Iraq I? > > >Vietnam? > (or > > >was that the Gulf of Tonkin that McNamara admitted lying > to Congress > > >about?) Either way, did Congress declare war on North Korea? What > > >about > all > > >those actions in Central America over the fruit interests? Did > > >Congress declare war there? > > > > > >Dana > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
