I could not agree with you more. A blurb on the news only this morning mentioned that over 80% of our military strength was stationed overseas.
====================================== Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 ====================================== If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heald, Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 11:35 AM Subject: RE: US Citizenship Test | I think that every war we have fought since the end of WW2 has been | unconstitutional. I also think that we need to bring all of our troops | deployed overseas home, think of the revitalization efforts we could foster | by placing the bases we would need in very poor areas of the U.S. | | Tim | | | -----Original Message----- | From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 12:18 PM | To: CF-Community | Subject: Re: US Citizenship Test | | | you are right that they were rhetorical questions. But Um, I think you are | wrong in your definition of a declaration of war, if only in that there was | a draft in Vietnam, and afaik war never was declared. | | In my opinion when you send troops into a country against its wishes then | you are at war. Liberia does not qualify because (I believe?) the people | have requested our help in keeping order. I don't believe that war was | declared in Korea, but it's been quite a while since my US-World Relations | class. | | As I look over the list (Vietnam, Korea, Somalia, Iraq...) it occurs to me | that waiting a few days for Congress to vote might *avoid* major problems. | I mean, if we are going to take a strict interpretation of the | Constittution everywhere else (guns, speech) then why not here? | | Nick McClure writes: | | > OK, well I assume you are asking these questions rhetorically, but | > | > The Constitution gives Congress the sole power of the purse, it gives | > congress the ability to declare war, but it gives the President control | > over the army. The Declaration of war is more than just the deployment of | > troops. | > | > It is the total full out war effort for the country, when congress | declares | > war they enable certain things like the raising of an army via a draft, | > public food and materials rationing, the ability to quarter troops in the | > houses of the people, an number of other things. | > | > Was war declared in Korea? I don't know how that worked, that was a UN | > action against communism, I don't know the details of the political | > environment. | > | > The other ones, was war declared, nope, but aside from Vietnam, they were | > not in my mind wars, a war to implies a lot more. | > | > The President is Commander in Chief of the armed forces, and therefore can | | > send the troops anywhere he wants anytime he wants. He does have to use | > Congress to get funding. | > | > Congress has passed laws allowing the President and in some cases other | > government agencies to use the military to operate when needed. In this | day | > and age waiting a few extra days for Congress to declare war could cause | > major problems. | > | > What about when we send troops to Liberia, should we declare war on | > Liberia, we have troops on the ground, are they at war, should we have a | > formal declaration of war to send 2000 troops to keep the peace? | > | > At 03:55 AM 7/7/2003 +0000, you wrote: | > >ok, I guess you can disregard the question I just sent you about the | > >Patriot Act :) | > > | > >A couple of questions. Does the Constitution say that Congress will pass | a | > >budget so that Congress is not called unpatrotic and against our boys, or | > >does the Constitution say that Congress will declare war? | > > | > >Second question, did Congress declare war on Grenada? Iraq I? Vietnam? | (or | > >was that the Gulf of Tonkin that McNamara admitted lying to Congress | > >about?) Either way, did Congress declare war on North Korea? What about | all | > >those actions in Central America over the fruit interests? Did Congress | > >declare war there? | > > | > >Dana | > | > | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
