ok here : canada is a country where you get taxed out your ass, have a public welfare system that is entirely socialist, and makes good beer.
america is a country where your taxes are unfair, has a corporate welfare system that is entirely socialist, and makes shitty beer. sealand is a good country. i don't think they make beer. --d. -----Original Message----- From: Heald, Tim Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 4:02 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) http://www.gov.sk.ca/enermine/facts/georight.htm 1/5th of Saskatchewan is help privately, because they got the land grant prior to it being nationalized and then granted to the province. the other 4/5ths is owned and worked by Saskatchewan Energy and Mines. A government run business. Socialism as I see it is a mix of private and government run industry. Additionally it is government that works for primarily the benefit of the lower classes. The social programs, to include government run health care, when taken in cooperation with the running of what should be private industries by the government make me say it is socialist. Also I am not claiming that the US is less guilty in the corporate welfare issue. It disgusts me to no end. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 3:54 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) It's called a baby bonus and at $50 a month it hardly amounts to paying people to have kids. More like the reverse income tax they had in Alaska for a while. I am amazed they paid it to foreigners though. You weren't paying taxes in Canada I am sure. socialized health care != socialism You say these companies are not receiving grants. Ahem. Worldcom payes $750 million, $250 million of it in stock that won't affect the bottom line, and gets to clear $35 billion off its books. Wow. Can I *not* receive grants too? What about the no-bid contract it was awarded in Iraq, how did it earn that exactly, reputation for honesty? Financial stability? It has *nothing* to do with campaign contributions, naturally. http://www.opensecrets.org/softmoney/softcomp1.asp?txtName=worldcom Sorry, but America remains the master of corporate welfare. Dana Heald, Tim writes: > Links that say what? You pay people to have children? We got $50 a month > for each kid, or something like that, looking for links: > > http://www.nationalchildbenefit.ca/home_e.html > > I need to prove that they have socialized health care? > > Mineral rights? > > http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/T-7/C.R.C.-c.1518/176630.html#rid-176733 > > I have been proven wrong in part. Some are owned by the province, and some > by the federal government. Look in the permit and license section. > > Halliburton and the rest are filling government contracts, not receiving > grants, although I am sure they have. Again read what I said. I know the > U.S. is doing many of these same things just not as far along as Canada. > > Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 3:01 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > Do you know that if you buy a house in Texas the mineral rights are not > normally included? I haven't researched the question in Canada and most of > my relatives live within city limits. Which province are we talking about? > Even if true, This would by your definition make Texas a socialist state. I > don't think so. And if we are going to get into countries that give money > to oil companies... hehe. I haven't reseached this in Canada, but I can > pull out beaucoup links about Haliburton and the rest of the gang making > billions in Iraq. Does this make the US a socialist state? > > And you say *I* am oversimplifying. > > As for taxes, to hear you guys you pay plenty in taxes. You sure Canadians > pay more? I thought you were going to look this up. > > I have a problem with the statement because it is wrong, Tim, you say these > things and then you can't back them up. I asked you for links about this > last Thursday. Put up or shut up. > > Dana > > Heald, Tim writes: > > > They own their houses, but they have no mineral rights to what's under the > > ground. Also look into Esso and the amount of money it gets from the > > government sometime. Look at the utilities and who owns and runs those. > > > > Your oversimplifying this a lot you know. BTW they pay far more in taxes > > than we do. Hell GST, provincial and federal taxes, supporting all of > these > > various social programs. > > > > I don't know why you have such a problem with the word? How would you > > define it? Is there some stigma you attach to socialist? > > > > Tim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:33 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > > > > Well all I know is that Tim claimed that it was socialist because the > large > > industries are government owned and something about property rights, > > neither of which is true. I have been in the states a long time but I have > > family in Canada and ya they own houses, work and pay taxes in very much > > the same way that I do. > > > > Dana > > > > Nick McClure writes: > > > > > That is only part of the equation. > > > > > > Socialism and democracy are not mutually exclusive, you can have a > > socialist > > > democracy, capitalist monarchy or a communist republic. > > > > > > Socialism or capitalism is the economic side, democracy or dictatorship > is > > > the political side. > > > > > > I would say that Canada is not a 100% capitalist country. There are > > > obviously capitalist ideas, but there are a number of socialist ideas as > > > well. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:04 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > > > > > > It's a parliamentary democracy. > > > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > Heald, Tim writes: > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
