My fingers are tired and Google is asking for a break :) they tell me I am limited to another 20 searches from now to midnight and I have work to do :)
Dana Nagy, Daniel J writes: > your fingers aren't broken. google it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 4:22 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > sealand? > > > Nagy, Daniel J writes: > > > ok here : > > > > canada is a country where you get taxed out your ass, have a public > welfare > > system that is entirely socialist, and makes good beer. > > > > america is a country where your taxes are unfair, has a corporate welfare > > system that is entirely socialist, and makes shitty beer. > > > > sealand is a good country. i don't think they make beer. > > > > --d. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Heald, Tim > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 4:02 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > > > > http://www.gov.sk.ca/enermine/facts/georight.htm > > > > 1/5th of Saskatchewan is help privately, because they got the land grant > > prior to it being nationalized and then granted to the province. > > > > the other 4/5ths is owned and worked by Saskatchewan Energy and Mines. A > > government run business. Socialism as I see it is a mix of private and > > government run industry. Additionally it is government that works for > > primarily the benefit of the lower classes. The social programs, to > include > > government run health care, when taken in cooperation with the running of > > what should be private industries by the government make me say it is > > socialist. > > > > Also I am not claiming that the US is less guilty in the corporate welfare > > issue. It disgusts me to no end. > > > > Tim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 3:54 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > > > > It's called a baby bonus and at $50 a month it hardly amounts to paying > > people to have kids. More like the reverse income tax they had in Alaska > > for a while. I am amazed they paid it to foreigners though. You weren't > > paying taxes in Canada I am sure. > > > > socialized health care != socialism > > > > You say these companies are not receiving grants. Ahem. Worldcom payes > $750 > > million, $250 million of it in stock that won't affect the bottom line, > and > > gets to clear $35 billion off its books. Wow. Can I *not* receive grants > > too? What about the no-bid contract it was awarded in Iraq, how did it > earn > > that exactly, reputation for honesty? Financial stability? It has > *nothing* > > to do with campaign contributions, naturally. > > > > http://www.opensecrets.org/softmoney/softcomp1.asp?txtName=worldcom > > > > Sorry, but America remains the master of corporate welfare. > > > > Dana > > > > Heald, Tim writes: > > > > > Links that say what? You pay people to have children? We got $50 a > month > > > for each kid, or something like that, looking for links: > > > > > > http://www.nationalchildbenefit.ca/home_e.html > > > > > > I need to prove that they have socialized health care? > > > > > > Mineral rights? > > > > > > http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/T-7/C.R.C.-c.1518/176630.html#rid-176733 > > > > > > I have been proven wrong in part. Some are owned by the province, and > > some > > > by the federal government. Look in the permit and license section. > > > > > > Halliburton and the rest are filling government contracts, not receiving > > > grants, although I am sure they have. Again read what I said. I know > the > > > U.S. is doing many of these same things just not as far along as Canada. > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 3:01 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > > > > > > > Do you know that if you buy a house in Texas the mineral rights are not > > > normally included? I haven't researched the question in Canada and most > of > > > my relatives live within city limits. Which province are we talking > about? > > > Even if true, This would by your definition make Texas a socialist > state. > > I > > > don't think so. And if we are going to get into countries that give > money > > > to oil companies... hehe. I haven't reseached this in Canada, but I can > > > pull out beaucoup links about Haliburton and the rest of the gang making > > > billions in Iraq. Does this make the US a socialist state? > > > > > > And you say *I* am oversimplifying. > > > > > > As for taxes, to hear you guys you pay plenty in taxes. You sure > Canadians > > > pay more? I thought you were going to look this up. > > > > > > I have a problem with the statement because it is wrong, Tim, you say > > these > > > things and then you can't back them up. I asked you for links about this > > > last Thursday. Put up or shut up. > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > Heald, Tim writes: > > > > > > > They own their houses, but they have no mineral rights to what's under > > the > > > > ground. Also look into Esso and the amount of money it gets from the > > > > government sometime. Look at the utilities and who owns and runs > those. > > > > > > > > Your oversimplifying this a lot you know. BTW they pay far more in > > taxes > > > > than we do. Hell GST, provincial and federal taxes, supporting all of > > > these > > > > various social programs. > > > > > > > > I don't know why you have such a problem with the word? How would you > > > > define it? Is there some stigma you attach to socialist? > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:33 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > > > > > > > > > > Well all I know is that Tim claimed that it was socialist because the > > > large > > > > industries are government owned and something about property rights, > > > > neither of which is true. I have been in the states a long time but I > > have > > > > family in Canada and ya they own houses, work and pay taxes in very > much > > > > the same way that I do. > > > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > Nick McClure writes: > > > > > > > > > That is only part of the equation. > > > > > > > > > > Socialism and democracy are not mutually exclusive, you can have a > > > > socialist > > > > > democracy, capitalist monarchy or a communist republic. > > > > > > > > > > Socialism or capitalism is the economic side, democracy or > > dictatorship > > > is > > > > > the political side. > > > > > > > > > > I would say that Canada is not a 100% capitalist country. There are > > > > > obviously capitalist ideas, but there are a number of socialist > ideas > > as > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:04 PM > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a parliamentary democracy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > > > > Heald, Tim writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
