http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary

Heald, Tim writes:

> Socialism does not prevent all private property ownership.  Hell even in
> China today, which is far past socialism, they allow some private ownership
> of property and business.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 10:02 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries)
> 
> 
> Tim. That definition said nothing about mineral rights, which you are
> obsessed with for some reason. If you think the British land system is
> socialist, well, have fun in your fantasy world. This would make all former
> British colonies plus the current Commonwealth plus the US, what, 25 or 30
> percent of the world at least, socialist. Funny that the socialists don't
> seem to think so. I mean. When you spout this sort of paranoia and then
> insist you have proved things you haven't how is one supposed to discuss
> anything with you, seriously.
> 
> Canada does not have any significant regulation of the right to own private
> property. Therefore it is not a socialist country. It's very simple,
> really.
> 
> Dana
> 
> Heald, Tim writes:
> 
> > My mind is closed.  Hehe.  Funny because there were at least three or four
> > times yesterday where I admitted I was wrong, where as you have yet to
> admit
> > that you didn't understand what the word socialism meant in the English
> > language.  Even now that Larry has so kindly posted the definition of the
> > word from several different sources you refuse to see it as it is defined,
> > preferring to use your own misaligned notions of it's meaning.
> > 
> > BTW I do not think that GWB is a good leader.  Again don't make
> assumptions
> > about me.  I am not a republican or a democrat remember?
> > 
> > Tim
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:35 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries)
> > 
> > 
> > exactly, your mind is closed. As for me... I do try to stay within the
> > bounds of reality, what can I say, and I can't envisage Texas as a
> > socialist state or George Bush as a clever leader without a giggle. 
> > 
> > > that with you and Larry this is near impossible, as it is when you
> attempt
> > > to sway me, for the most part.
> > > 
> > > Tim
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 4:09 PM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Can't say I have studied the issue. But I would start to think socialism
> > > when I see that all the media are government owned and so are most of
> the
> > > businesses. I guess a key test would be can you start your own business
> > and
> > > can you buy your own land or do you have to take what you are given. 
> > > 
> > > Dana
> > > 
> > > Heald, Tim writes:
> > > 
> > > > Not what country, what policies and economy?  Cuba calls itself
> > socialist,
> > > > hell so did the USSR, remember them?  Nazis claimed to be national
> > > > socialists.  That doesn't make it so.
> > > > 
> > > > Tim
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 3:33 PM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Cuba comes to mind.
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/News2Frame.htm?socialistcountries.htm
> > > > 
> > > > Dana
> > > > 
> > > > Heald, Tim writes:
> > > > 
> > > > > will you define what you THINK socialism is?  I pulled my definition
> > out
> > > > of
> > > > > the one that Larry sent from the dictionary.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Tim
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 3:24 PM
> > > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > A very fast scan on Google indicates that this is a characteristic
> of
> > > fee
> > > > > simple deeds in general. I know that in Texas they were talking
> about
> > > fee
> > > > > simple deeds also... I was thinking of buying land in West Texas and
> > > this
> > > > > was pointed out on one site I was reading as a gotcha, that and
> making
> > > > sure
> > > > > there is some access to water.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't think it proves a thing about socialism...
> > > > > 
> > > > > Dana
> > > > > 
> > > > > Nick McClure writes:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > But does the government own the mineral rights, or are they just a
> > > > > separate
> > > > > > deed?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I thought it was common for mineral and land rights to be
> separate,
> > > that
> > > > > way
> > > > > > I can sell my mineral rights but keep the land, or keep the
> mineral
> > > > rights
> > > > > > and sell the land.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > My point was that the mineral rights are government owned, and
> will
> > > > always
> > > > > > be that way.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 3:00 PM
> > > > > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Do you know that if you buy a house in Texas the mineral rights
> > are
> > > > not
> > > > > > > normally included? I haven't researched the question in Canada
> and
> > > > most
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > my relatives live within city limits. Which province are we
> > talking
> > > > > about?
> > > > > > > Even if true, This would by your definition make Texas a
> socialist
> > > > > state.
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > don't think so. And if we are going to get into countries that
> > give
> > > > > money
> > > > > > > to oil companies... hehe. I haven't reseached this in Canada,
> but
> > I
> > > > can
> > > > > > > pull out beaucoup links about Haliburton and the rest of the
> gang
> > > > making
> > > > > > > billions in Iraq. Does this make the US a socialist state?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > And you say *I* am oversimplifying.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > As for taxes, to hear you guys you pay plenty in taxes. You sure
> > > > > Canadians
> > > > > > > pay more? I thought you were going to look this up.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I have a problem with the statement because it is wrong, Tim,
> you
> > > say
> > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > things and then you can't back them up. I asked you for links
> > about
> > > > this
> > > > > > > last Thursday. Put up or shut up.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Dana
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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