Not in my opinion. It is a capitalist attempt to rationalize a system that is currently irrational. It's pretty clear that if people have access to health care to get high blood pressure and high chloresterol diagnosed, they are less likely to show up at the hospital in an ambulance with a heart attack. At least that is the discussion here -- New Mexico is considering a single payer system. There is a high proportion of uninsured here and the state is the de facto primary care physician of maybe 30% of the population already, except tHat it only sees them when they are in the emergency room and fairly sick with (frequently) preventable illnesses.
Dana John Stanley writes: > is the drive to universal health care a symptom of a socialist agenda? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:23 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: RE: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > ::snort:: if you are saying the US is a socialist country too then I think > this discussion had reached a sufficiently ridiculous level. I'll be > getting some work done now. > > > Dana > > Heald, Tim writes: > > > 1. He was using the idea of locally owned utilities to attempt to make an > > argument that said utility is privatized, which it is not. > > > > 2. I have not said anywhere that the US does not have socialist > > characteristics. Only that I want to see them abolished. > > > > Tim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 5:40 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: RE: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > > > > Furthermore, Jacksonville Florida and Livingston Texas, off the top of my > > head, both own their own electric companies so what is the difference? > > Its not something peculiarly Canadian. Oh and let's not forget Portland > Gas > > and Electric. > > > > Dana > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > Not every province has a regulated utility model. Alberta has a > > privatized electrical utility system. The city of Calgary actually owns > > Enmax, their primary electricity provider, for instance. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2003 2:35 pm > > > Subject: RE: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > > > > > People pay more in taxes, yes, but much, much less in health > > > > insurance, car insurance (for Manitoba and BC at least), > > > > unemployment, workers compensation, education, college, etc. So > > > > essentially it balances out. > > > > > > > > As for the bogus comment about mineral rights, it has nothing to > > > > do > > > > with socialism or whatever. Its from a far older system, called > > > > the > > > > british government model. The crown owns the land, and the > > > > individual > > > > buys from the government. > > > > > > > > As for the utilities, frankly as far as I'm concerned its better > > > > that > > > > the provincial government own the electrical utilities and get > > > > some > > > > hope of getting something back rather than it all going out of the > > > > province to enrich some person who never had to work in his life. > > > > > > > > A quick comparison, Manitoba owns its electrical generation and > > > > delivery systems. Before I left Winnipeg, Manitoba, I paid about > > > > $15 > > > > a month Canadian (approx $10) for an electrically heated 2 bedroom > > > > apartment. Coming to Roanoke, Virginia, where there was a > > > > privately > > > > owned electrical utility, my electrical rates were about 3 times > > > > as > > > > much. > > > > > > > > There are some advantages to a regulated government monopoly. > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > >They own their houses, but they have no mineral rights to what's > > > > under the > > > > >ground. Also look into Esso and the amount of money it gets from the > > > > >government sometime. Look at the utilities and who owns and runs > > > > those.> > > > > >Your oversimplifying this a lot you know. BTW they pay far more > > > > in taxes > > > > >than we do. Hell GST, provincial and federal taxes, supporting > > > > all of these > > > > >various social programs. > > > > > > > > > >I don't know why you have such a problem with the word? How > > > > would you > > > > >define it? Is there some stigma you attach to socialist? > > > > > > > > > >Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > >From: Dana Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:33 PM > > > > >To: CF-Community > > > > >Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Well all I know is that Tim claimed that it was socialist because > > > > the large > > > > >industries are government owned and something about property rights, > > > > >neither of which is true. I have been in the states a long time > > > > but I have > > > > >family in Canada and ya they own houses, work and pay taxes in > > > > very much > > > > >the same way that I do. > > > > > > > > > >Dana > > > > > > > > > >Nick McClure writes: > > > > > > > > > >> That is only part of the equation. > > > > >> > > > > >> Socialism and democracy are not mutually exclusive, you can > > > > have a > > > > >socialist > > > > >> democracy, capitalist monarchy or a communist republic. > > > > >> > > > > >> Socialism or capitalism is the economic side, democracy or > > > > dictatorship is > > > > >> the political side. > > > > >> > > > > >> I would say that Canada is not a 100% capitalist country. > > > > There are > > > > >> obviously capitalist ideas, but there are a number of > > > > socialist ideas as > > > > >> well. > > > > >> > > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > > > >> > From: Dana Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:04 PM > > > > >> > To: CF-Community > > > > >> > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > > >> > > > > > >> > It's a parliamentary democracy. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Dana > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Heald, Tim writes: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
