If Mont. County has to enact a ban, doesn't that mean that the state doesn't have one for bars, restaurants etc? I mean if the state had one, why would MC need one as well.
-----Original Message----- From: William Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 5:30 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Where are the non-smokers? that's Mont. County not the state of Maryland ;) no worries though just having trouble finding where the Original statewide law was overturned. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 5:22 PM Subject: RE: Where are the non-smokers? > http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A6 > 0687-2003Jul1¬Found=true > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:45 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Where are the non-smokers? > > > hrm News to me i lived in MD until 2001 > i don't see anything about it being overruled let me look some more. I was > in smoking restaurants too when they had bars in them. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Heald, Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:30 PM > Subject: RE: Where are the non-smokers? > > > > Nope, > > > > It was poorly worded and ruled unconstitutional shortly after it was > > implemented. > > > > BTW I was smoking in a restaurant in Cascades, MD during drill this > weekend. > > > > Timothy Heald > > Information Systems Specialist > > Overseas Security Advisory Council > > U.S. Department of State > > 571.345.2235 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: William Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:25 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Where are the non-smokers? > > > > > > Umm unless MD repealed the smoking ban then yes there is defiantly a > smoking > > ban. You can smoke where there is a bar but that is it. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 3:44 PM > > Subject: Where are the non-smokers? > > > > > > > Maryland as a state does not have a smoking ban. Montgomery County > passed > > a smoking ban which was overturned recently on a technicality. They have > > since passed another ban which (hopefully) will pass muster. > > > > > > I lived in CA and really loved being able to go out to clean restaurants > > and bars after the statewide ban. In terms of anectodal evidence, I asked > a > > waitress at a coffee shop how the ban in CA had affected her. She told me > > she loved it, that not only was it healthier for her, but also that people > > didn't stay and smoke for hours and hog a table. Turning the tables over > > meant she made more in tips. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >hehe yea MD was i think the 1st or 2nd state to have a statewide > smoking > > > >ban. I think it was first > > > >with CA being second with a FAR stricker rule but it was defiantly > sweet > > > >living in such a great state. > > > > > > > >I miss my old maryland *sniff* > > > > > > > >:) > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 12:05 PM > > > >Subject: Re: Where are the non-smokers? > > > > > > > > > > > >> exactly. And bars and restaurants are different cases; bars probably > do > > > >> have a higher percentage of smoker patrons. > > > >> > > > >> Seems to me that Montgomery County MD was non-smoking ten years ago > and > > it > > > >> certainly has a healthy population of restaurants. I will grant that > > the > > > >> overall affluent demographic there may be a factor in this but > > > >demographics > > > >> in general play into this a lot. Smoking it less common among the > > > >educated, > > > >> I seem to remember reading; assuming that is true a blue-collar bar > > > >> conceivably could lose business if all its mechanic/tow truck driver > > > >> customers decide to get a six pack and hang out at each other's > houses > > > >> instead of going out.... I know that's a stereotype but I am just > > giving > > > >an > > > >> example. > > > >> > > > >> Dana > > > >> > > > >> Ian Skinner writes: > > > >> > > > >> > The other way that "up too" could be misleading is of only one > > > >establishment > > > >> > lost that much business for this or any other fact, they are then > > held > > > >up as > > > >> > both the example and the reason you can say up too... even if all > the > > > >other > > > >> > places are not suffering like this..... > > > >> > > > > >> > -------------- > > > >> > Ian Skinner > > > >> > Web Programmer > > > >> > BloodSource > > > >> > Sacramento, CA > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > > >> > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >> > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 8:51 AM > > > >> > To: CF-Community > > > >> > Subject: Re: Where are the non-smokers? > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > I question whethet this is in fact the case. Somebody somewhere has > > > >> > probably studied it but I don't have any statistics to hand. Still, > > that > > > >> > link wasnproof of anything either. > > > >> > > > > >> > Dana > > > >> > > > > >> > Matthew Small writes: > > > >> > > > > >> > > Actually, I don't ever think there was a message that non-smokers > > did > > > >not > > > >> > > frequent bars & restaurants because of smoking. the ban was to > > > >> > non-smokers > > > >> > > that work in those places, and to protect non-smoking customers > > from > > > >being > > > >> > > exposed to smoker's air. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > That being said, and the fact that I have fully supported the > > smoking > > > >ban > > > >> > in > > > >> > > a restaurant, if the facts are true that banning smoking is > causing > > > >> > > restaurants to lose that much (30% - 50%) of their business, then > I > > > >> > support > > > >> > > repealing the ban in favor of very stringent rules for separating > > the > > > >> > > smoking section from a non-smoking section - e.g. completely > > enclosed > > > >> > > smoking areas, different ventilation systems, etc. Of course, > that > > > >does > > > >> > not > > > >> > > protect the non-smoking workers. I don't know what to do about > > them. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > - Matt Small > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > > From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 10:54 AM > > > >> > > Subject: RE: Where are the non-smokers? > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Well... > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > It does say something about Non Smokers. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > If you ban smoking...and you lose 20% to 50% of your sales... > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Then that means you have lost smoking customers. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > It also means that those smoking customers whom you have lost, > > have > > > >> > > > *not* been replaced with non-smoking customers. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Part of the reasoning for the ban was that there were thousands > > of > > > >> > > > non-smokers that do not frequent bars and restaurants because > of > > the > > > >> > > > smoke,ergo if there was no smoking these people would patronise > > > >these > > > >> > > > institutions. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > -Gel > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- > > > >> > > > From: William Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > That doesn't say anything about non smokers it simply says the > > > >smokers > > > >> > > > are going where they can still pollute the air thats all. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
