hrm News to me i lived in MD until 2001 i don't see anything about it being overruled let me look some more. I was in smoking restaurants too when they had bars in them.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Heald, Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:30 PM Subject: RE: Where are the non-smokers? > Nope, > > It was poorly worded and ruled unconstitutional shortly after it was > implemented. > > BTW I was smoking in a restaurant in Cascades, MD during drill this weekend. > > Timothy Heald > Information Systems Specialist > Overseas Security Advisory Council > U.S. Department of State > 571.345.2235 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:25 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Where are the non-smokers? > > > Umm unless MD repealed the smoking ban then yes there is defiantly a smoking > ban. You can smoke where there is a bar but that is it. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 3:44 PM > Subject: Where are the non-smokers? > > > > Maryland as a state does not have a smoking ban. Montgomery County passed > a smoking ban which was overturned recently on a technicality. They have > since passed another ban which (hopefully) will pass muster. > > > > I lived in CA and really loved being able to go out to clean restaurants > and bars after the statewide ban. In terms of anectodal evidence, I asked a > waitress at a coffee shop how the ban in CA had affected her. She told me > she loved it, that not only was it healthier for her, but also that people > didn't stay and smoke for hours and hog a table. Turning the tables over > meant she made more in tips. > > > > > > > > > > >hehe yea MD was i think the 1st or 2nd state to have a statewide smoking > > >ban. I think it was first > > >with CA being second with a FAR stricker rule but it was defiantly sweet > > >living in such a great state. > > > > > >I miss my old maryland *sniff* > > > > > >:) > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 12:05 PM > > >Subject: Re: Where are the non-smokers? > > > > > > > > >> exactly. And bars and restaurants are different cases; bars probably do > > >> have a higher percentage of smoker patrons. > > >> > > >> Seems to me that Montgomery County MD was non-smoking ten years ago and > it > > >> certainly has a healthy population of restaurants. I will grant that > the > > >> overall affluent demographic there may be a factor in this but > > >demographics > > >> in general play into this a lot. Smoking it less common among the > > >educated, > > >> I seem to remember reading; assuming that is true a blue-collar bar > > >> conceivably could lose business if all its mechanic/tow truck driver > > >> customers decide to get a six pack and hang out at each other's houses > > >> instead of going out.... I know that's a stereotype but I am just > giving > > >an > > >> example. > > >> > > >> Dana > > >> > > >> Ian Skinner writes: > > >> > > >> > The other way that "up too" could be misleading is of only one > > >establishment > > >> > lost that much business for this or any other fact, they are then > held > > >up as > > >> > both the example and the reason you can say up too... even if all the > > >other > > >> > places are not suffering like this..... > > >> > > > >> > -------------- > > >> > Ian Skinner > > >> > Web Programmer > > >> > BloodSource > > >> > Sacramento, CA > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 8:51 AM > > >> > To: CF-Community > > >> > Subject: Re: Where are the non-smokers? > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > I question whethet this is in fact the case. Somebody somewhere has > > >> > probably studied it but I don't have any statistics to hand. Still, > that > > >> > link wasnproof of anything either. > > >> > > > >> > Dana > > >> > > > >> > Matthew Small writes: > > >> > > > >> > > Actually, I don't ever think there was a message that non-smokers > did > > >not > > >> > > frequent bars & restaurants because of smoking. the ban was to > > >> > non-smokers > > >> > > that work in those places, and to protect non-smoking customers > from > > >being > > >> > > exposed to smoker's air. > > >> > > > > >> > > That being said, and the fact that I have fully supported the > smoking > > >ban > > >> > in > > >> > > a restaurant, if the facts are true that banning smoking is causing > > >> > > restaurants to lose that much (30% - 50%) of their business, then I > > >> > support > > >> > > repealing the ban in favor of very stringent rules for separating > the > > >> > > smoking section from a non-smoking section - e.g. completely > enclosed > > >> > > smoking areas, different ventilation systems, etc. Of course, that > > >does > > >> > not > > >> > > protect the non-smoking workers. I don't know what to do about > them. > > >> > > > > >> > > - Matt Small > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > > From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 10:54 AM > > >> > > Subject: RE: Where are the non-smokers? > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Well... > > >> > > > > > >> > > > It does say something about Non Smokers. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > If you ban smoking...and you lose 20% to 50% of your sales... > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Then that means you have lost smoking customers. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > It also means that those smoking customers whom you have lost, > have > > >> > > > *not* been replaced with non-smoking customers. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Part of the reasoning for the ban was that there were thousands > of > > >> > > > non-smokers that do not frequent bars and restaurants because of > the > > >> > > > smoke,ergo if there was no smoking these people would patronise > > >these > > >> > > > institutions. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > -Gel > > >> > > > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > > From: William Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > > > >> > > > That doesn't say anything about non smokers it simply says the > > >smokers > > >> > > > are going where they can still pollute the air thats all. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
