I'd say you'd have to qualify that statement as "most adults _in_a_modern_culture_ who like the idea don't manage to implement", and my suspicion is that this stems from two things, the one being that either they're really into all their "modern conveniences" (not necessarily food related) which require them to spend larger amounts of time working and hence neglecting the possibility of growing their food and 2) that making a lifestyle change from the modern mainstream to one of communal self-sufficiency is an arduous ordeal in and of itself -- which is my issue, exacerbated by the fact that I have 3 kids and a rather ... gross ... child support problem.
Where the impoverished peoples of third world countries are concerned, however ... what have they got to lose? ... It's also possible for able-boddied adults to grow enough food to feed themselves with a rather small investment of time when they're not also managing livestock and / or trying to grow food to sell and therefore want to grow as much as possible to make the most money (which takes them back to the sweat-shop place sort of)... So if they grew their own food the chances are good that parents would be able to grow enough food with a manageable investment of their time and energy to feed both the children and the grandparents who can care for the children who are too young to help with the growing. As the children grow up they of course have to learn how to do the growing but nobody's demanding that they work themselves to the bone to make t-shirts and sandals for self-absorbed Americans. Isaac Original Message ----------------------- I have a prolific backyard veggie garden, will that qualify? :-) ====================================== Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 ====================================== If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Re: RE: What would you do if you won PowerBall? | I agree but most adults who like the idea dont manage to implement... bit | much to expect of children | | s. isaac dealey writes: | | > I suppose ultimately that I don't understand why people can't grow their own food -- or just live tribally, you know, hunter/gatherer -- with the possible exception of being on a small island where every square meter of land belongs to someone who's unwilling to share in which case my answer is to ration the land and/or provide those without any transportation to someplace else... | > | > I don't think personally that I'd like to go back to an entirely pre-agricultural state, because I suspect it's a lot easier to get by and have food if you grow it intentionally, but, the fact that we're still here at all is absolute proof that it can be done if necessary. In some ways growing your own food is even better than having it grown by large corporate agro-businesses and shipped hundreds or thousands of miles to the grocery in big diesel trucks. Personally I'd really like to go back to living communally and growing our own food at least for myself, although I don't expect everyone to do that. I certainly think that would be a step up from a sweat shop. | > | > Isaac | > | > Original Message ----------------------- | > If the alternative is starvation most people are willing to work. Be nice | > if children didnt have to face that choice. | > | > William Wheatley writes: | > | > > Play devils advocate what about the kids who have to have a job and money in | > > order to survive for whatever reason? | > > | > > I was listening to a piece on npr where a kid was saying (via translator) | > > how he needed to work. When the inspector (or whatever the proper title is) | > > tried to shut the place down he fired the underage kid who was then screwed | > > since they didn't have the money to pay for food and such. They also talked | > > about child labor unions so the kids could make good $$. If there is nothing | > > else for a child to do and they have to work why should we hold the | > > children, who WILLINGLY want to work , back and limit them. There is no | > > social security in those countries no foster care what would become of them | > > if they were unable to work and provide for themselves. | > > | > > ----- Original Message ----- | > > From: "s. isaac dealey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:31 PM | > > Subject: RE: RE: What would you do if you won PowerBall? | > > | > > | > > > How about buying the Gap (or some other large US-grown corp) and forcing | > > them to stop actively contributing to sweat shops in third world countries? | > > > | > > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=area+code+map | > > > | > > > | > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/audiovideo/programmes/panorama/archive/970385.stm | > > > | > > > Isaac | > > > | > > > Original Message ----------------------- | > > > OK then I started this so here is mine. | > > > | > > > In no particular order (most likely all at once) | > > > | > > > - I would open an account for my grandmother to do with what she wants as | > > > she has supported me (bailed me out) for most of my life. | > > > - Buy a house on an island and retire with my friends and family | > > > - Maybe a mountain retreat somewhere with a huge telescope | > > > - Visit the Great Wall of China | > > > - Pay the Russians a million dollars to take me to space (maybe :)) | > > > - College for my kids (this includes some friends kids) | > > > - I would like to buy a huge piece of the rain forest that I will never | > > burn | > > > or run off the natives. | > > > - Buy Old Navy and force them to carry cloths for everyone. | > > > | > > > There is probably more. | > > > | > > > Rick Eidson | > > > | > > > -----Original Message----- | > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:42 AM | > > > To: CF-Community | > > > Subject: Re: What would you do if you won PowerBall? | > > > | > > > off the top, in no particular order: | > > > | > > > - keep working until I can pass knowledge on to a successor | > > > - fix up the house, just the way we want it | > > > (it's "home", so don't want to move to another place, maybe just expand) | > > > - buy homes for kids, relatives, friends, so they always have a roof over | > > > - donate enough money to a particular charitable org (one my Mom worked | > > > with) | > > > for them to build a school with her name on it | > > > - build a homeless shelter w/ job training center | > > > - open a company to hire the successful grads of the job center | > > > - build an apartment complex to house the workers | > > > - travel, travel, travel | > > > - study | > > > - volunteer | > > > - pray | > > > - get really physically fit | > > > - watch videos | > > > - sleep late sometimes, then start the day by making love | > > > instead of waking up early to go to work | > > > | > > > -Ben | > > > | > > > | > > > > http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/2382747/detail.html | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > Rick | > > > > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > | > | > | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. 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