Ha! ... I guess every shade of gray must be black or white then. :) And all questions must be answered the moment they are asked. And all decisions must be made in some permanent fashion the moment the an option is realized... I just can't work that way.
> I'm an objectivist. Absolutes are all I have :) > Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 7:39 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Re: RE: What would you do if you won > PowerBall? >> So basically your saying there were no famines or wars of >> aggression and conquest throughout history? > How in THE WORLD did you conclude that?! > Are we even having the same conversation? Can you offer me > a > road map? >> Dewd, seriously this is some slanted thinking. Agrarian >> societies were feudal or some other totalitarian system. >> This idea of community that your preaching doesn't work >> in the real world. > Each individual has to make all decisions regarding change > for themselves. That being said, as an individual it is > possible to change your lifestyle. Sometimes those changes > are things that have minimal impact on you as an > individual, > such as chosing to use cloth kitchen towels instead of > paper > towels. Other times they hare significant impact on you, > like chosing not to drive or own a car. It's possible to > make large changes (like not driving) and still maintain > other elements of your lifestyle, for instance, when you > stop driving, you don't necessarily have to change your > diet. It's a non-sequitur to assume that because the > larger > agrarian societies we have knowledge of in our history > were > fuedal or totalitarian means that all agrarian societies > ever have been or ever will be fuedal or totalitarian or > _more_importantly_ that they are by necessity more cruel > to > the people in them than a capitalist society. Just as it > would be a non-sequitur to assume that because someone > choses to give up cars as a part of their lifestyle that > they must change their diet (because they can't manageably > carry the food they like home on the buss for instance). > There are also many current-day examples of agrarian > communities that work quite well: > http://www.ic.org > Lastly, why do you assume that when I speak I'm speaking > with a "voice" of absolutes? > Isaac >> Timothy Heald >> Information Systems Specialist >> Overseas Security Advisory Council >> U.S. Department of State >> 571.345.2235 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:10 PM >> To: CF-Community >> Subject: RE: Re: RE: What would you do if you won >> PowerBall? >> I suppose ultimately that I don't understand why people >> can't grow their own >> food -- or just live tribally, you know, hunter/gatherer >> -- with the >> possible exception of being on a small island where every >> square meter of >> land belongs to someone who's unwilling to share in which >> case my answer is >> to ration the land and/or provide those without any >> transportation to >> someplace else... >> I don't think personally that I'd like to go back to an >> entirely >> pre-agricultural state, because I suspect it's a lot >> easier to get by and >> have food if you grow it intentionally, but, the fact >> that >> we're still here >> at all is absolute proof that it can be done if >> necessary. >> In some ways >> growing your own food is even better than having it grown >> by large corporate >> agro-businesses and shipped hundreds or thousands of >> miles >> to the grocery in >> big diesel trucks. Personally I'd really like to go back >> to living >> communally and growing our own food at least for myself, >> although I don't >> expect everyone to do that. I certainly think that would >> be a step up from a >> sweat shop. >> Isaac >> Original Message ----------------------- >> If the alternative is starvation most people are willing >> to work. Be nice >> if children didnt have to face that choice. >> William Wheatley writes: >>> Play devils advocate what about the kids who have to >>> have >>> a job and money >> in >>> order to survive for whatever reason? >>> >>> I was listening to a piece on npr where a kid was saying >>> (via translator) >>> how he needed to work. When the inspector (or whatever >>> the proper title >> is) >>> tried to shut the place down he fired the underage kid >>> who was then >> screwed >>> since they didn't have the money to pay for food and >>> such. They also >> talked >>> about child labor unions so the kids could make good $$. >>> If there is >> nothing >>> else for a child to do and they have to work why should >>> we hold the >>> children, who WILLINGLY want to work , back and limit >>> them. There is no >>> social security in those countries no foster care what >>> would become of >> them >>> if they were unable to work and provide for themselves. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "s. isaac dealey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:31 PM >>> Subject: RE: RE: What would you do if you won PowerBall? >>> >>> >>> > How about buying the Gap (or some other large US-grown >>> > corp) and forcing >>> them to stop actively contributing to sweat shops in >>> third world >> countries? >>> > >>> > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q >>> > = >>> > area+code+map >>> > >>> > >>> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/audiovideo/programmes/panorama >> / >> archive/970385.stm >>> > >>> > Isaac >>> > >>> > Original Message ----------------------- >>> > OK then I started this so here is mine. >>> > >>> > In no particular order (most likely all at once) >>> > >>> > - I would open an account for my grandmother to do >>> > with >>> > what she wants >> as >>> > she has supported me (bailed me out) for most of my >>> > life. >>> > - Buy a house on an island and retire with my friends >>> > and family >>> > - Maybe a mountain retreat somewhere with a huge >>> > telescope >>> > - Visit the Great Wall of China >>> > - Pay the Russians a million dollars to take me to >>> > space (maybe :)) >>> > - College for my kids (this includes some friends >>> > kids) >>> > - I would like to buy a huge piece of the rain forest >>> > that I will never >>> burn >>> > or run off the natives. >>> > - Buy Old Navy and force them to carry cloths for >>> > everyone. >>> > >>> > There is probably more. >>> > >>> > Rick Eidson >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:42 AM >>> > To: CF-Community >>> > Subject: Re: What would you do if you won PowerBall? >>> > >>> > off the top, in no particular order: >>> > >>> > - keep working until I can pass knowledge on to a >>> > successor >>> > - fix up the house, just the way we want it >>> > (it's "home", so don't want to move to another place, >>> > maybe just expand) >>> > - buy homes for kids, relatives, friends, so they >>> > always have a roof >> over >>> > - donate enough money to a particular charitable org >>> > (one my Mom worked >>> > with) >>> > for them to build a school with her name on it >>> > - build a homeless shelter w/ job training center >>> > - open a company to hire the successful grads of the >>> > job center >>> > - build an apartment complex to house the workers >>> > - travel, travel, travel >>> > - study >>> > - volunteer >>> > - pray >>> > - get really physically fit >>> > - watch videos >>> > - sleep late sometimes, then start the day by making >>> > love >>> > instead of waking up early to go to work >>> > >>> > -Ben >>> > >>> > >>> > > http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/2382747/det >>> > > a >>> > > il.html >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Rick >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> ~ >> ~~~~~~~~~~~| >> Archives: >> http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 >> Subscription: >> http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index. >> cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 >> Your ad could be here. 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