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From: William H Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2003 10:18 am
Subject: Re: CF Salary Range
> yeah, I'm fully aware that HTML is not a programming language,
> thanks
> for pointing that out though...
>
> > I have a friend who writes assembly/C/C++ for embedded military
> systems. I
> > guarantee you he can program circles around anything either you
> or I
> do. So
> > what?
>
> well great, does he have a degree? If not, does *not* having a
> degree
> somehow taint his ability to "program circles around [us]"?
>
> "baseline" suggests basic qualification is X. no "baseline"
> qualification, no consideration for a job, no?
>
> > If you feel that you're so l337 at programming...then getting a
> designation would only enhance your
> > chances at convincing an employee that you're qualified, no?
>
> Not necessarily, at this point I would say that my experience
> should
> convince prospective employers, but without the "baseline" I would
> be
> concerned that I might not get my foot in the door. A cert might
> help,
> true; but which one? MCSE (of whatever flavor)? CF? I don't think
> I'll
> be going back to college any time soon to get that "baseline" CS
> Degree...so where would I start under this system?
>
>
> Kwang Suh wrote:
>
> > >so, then those of us with degrees in something other than CS
> degrees (I
> > >happen to hold a BFA in Graphic Design and Illustration) would be
> > >essentially SOL? I've been designing and building web sites
> since 1995,
> > >first in straight HTML then server-side JS and now in CF. I can
> program> >circles around CS degreed folks that are my friends and
> collegues.> >Doesn't/Won't that count for anything anymore? Sure
> as hell glad it did
> > >for me...
> >
> > I have a friend who writes assembly/C/C++ for embedded military
> > systems. I
> > guarantee you he can program circles around anything either you
> or I
> > do. So
> > what?
> >
> > Designation provides a _baseline_ of _qualification_. It's a
> way for
> > companies to determine that, yes, you actually do have some of
> the skills
> > you claim you have. It's not something that's used for
> comparisons
> > between
> > people, it's a measurement that all the people that have it
> meet. It is
> > _not_ used for comparison.
> >
> > If you feel that you're so l337 at programming (btw, HTML is not a
> > programming language), then getting a designation would only
> enhance your
> > chances at convincing an employee that you're qualified, no?
> >
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