of us on the list are we
get defensive and i suppose i on one hand (Not knowing about anyone
else) need to be defensive because if we feel people are belittling
what people have to do to feel better. It is a way of belittling us in a
way which causes a person to react defensively to try to combat
disinformation or someone that tries to make a person who takes meds
feel bad or somesuch.
Its more of an instinctive defensive reaction i would say.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:08 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: depression
like i said before, we have different opinions. Both of which we
believe in
pretty firmly.
There's plenty of case studies which would back me up and plenty of
scientific evidence which would back up your opinion.
You're a bit aggressive, how come? It's a bit unecessary
-----Original Message-----
From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 23 October 2003 13:23
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: depression
There's a difference between having an open mind and suggesting that
someone
avoid docters. That's just being close-minded in a different direction.
My primary method for treating my depression is currently lifestyle
choices
and acupuncture. I've been off meds for a year and a half, successfully.
(I've was diagnosed 17 years ago and have been on and off meds and tried
various things in that time.) But, I would never suggest that someone
that
has not had a thorough exam and a diagnosis try to self-treat a
condition
that they've self-diagnosed. It's dangerous. Suicide rates among the
depressed are extradorinarily high. There's a time and a place for meds,
and
it should only come after consulting with a qualified professional.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Smyth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:52 AM
Subject: RE: depression
> I treat colds/flu by drinking honey, lemon and ginger with hot water
and
> taking boiling hot baths with olbas oil, it doesn't cure it but it
helps.
>
> I'm not knocking people who take anti depressants, its whatever works
for
> the individual. I have just seen my mother take them constantly for
over
20
> years and she now has health problems due to this as well as a serious
> dependancy.
>
> Although i'm not knocking them, but sometimes there are other options
which
> are ignored by western medicine.
>
> I also know a little of what i'm talking about as I studied a form of
> Japanese medicine for 5 years, and they have different opinions for
solving
> health problems.
>
> Different approaches, theres no proof 100% either way whos right or
wrong.
> I think if the person really believes in the treatment they are
receiving
> then its half the battle.
>
> Basically, do what you like. Theres no harm having an open mind
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Doom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 22 October 2003 16:39
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: depression
>
>
> Those of us who are on antidepressants sometimes face a stigma because
> of it. There's also a broad lack of understanding that makes us a bit
> defensive. Both add up to a very strong reaction to people who say
that
> the way we deal with our illness is wrong.
>
> I'm not trying to excuse her, just explain her reaction.
>
> And yes, you are entitled to your own opinion.
>
> Just out of curiosity, how do you treat colds? I'm not trying to be
> sarcastic or anything here. I'm just really curious.
>
> --Ben "The Depressed Diplomat" Doom
>
> Mark Smyth wrote:
>
> > Fine, you're welcome to your opinion.
> >
> >
> > Saying that, I'm also welcome to mine. I can just present mine
without
> > swearing.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 22 October 2003 16:18
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: depression
> >
> > Okay, Mark, I have to call bullshit on this. Yes, there is a
> > mental/spiritual component to depression. But, there can also be a
very
> real
> > physical component. (We've been through this before on the list,
too.)
> Next
> > time you get the flu, don't be taking any drugs for it. I expect you
to
> > enjoy the suffering and gain enlightenment from it.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Smyth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 9:05 AM
> > Subject: RE: depression
> >
> > > In my opinion leave the doctors alone, they'll only treat the
> > symptoms and
> > > probably give you anti-depressants. If there is one thing
western
> > medicine
> > > could learn from eastern medicine is to look more deeply into the
> > underlying
> > > causes of illnesses and not constantly treting symptoms.
> > >
> > > My mother has been seriously affected by depression for around 20
> > years, I
> > > really don't think the doctors helped. I'm pretty sure its
affected
me
> > also,
> > > especially the past few years. I'd have to say depression is
best
> dealt
> > > from a spiritually/mental approach.
> > >
> > > I'd recommending looking into some books by the Dalai Lama, there
are
> > some
> > > really good books. Basically he teaches that Suffering is
encountered
> by
> > > everyone (therefore it is both a fact of everyone's life) and
that
its
> > every
> > > human's inherent right to achieve happiness and it is within all
of
our
> > > grasps if we want it enough and are willing to act in a way which
will
> > bring
> > > us happiness. Basically happiness can be achieved through
spiritual
> and
> > > mental exercises/frame of mind.
> > > I'm not a Buddhist par se, but I have found great comfort in
those
> ideas
> > >
> > > I'd recommend this book as a starter
> > >
> >
>
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1573221112/qid=1066831173/
sr=8
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1573221112/qid=1066831173
/sr=
8>
>
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1573221112/qid=1066831173
/sr=
> 8>
> >
>
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1573221112/qid=1066831173
/sr=
> > 8>
> > > -1/ref=sr_8_1/102-7460743-2964960?v=glance
> > >
> >
>
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1573221112/qid=1066831173
/sr=
> > > 8-1/ref=sr_8_1/102-7460743-2964960?v=glance&s=books&n=507846>
> > > &s=books&n=507846
> > >
> > > HTH and good luck
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: 22 October 2003 14:48
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: depression
> > >
> > >
> > > If you are asking if it is bad, then more then likely it is bad
enough.
> > > Have you talked to a DR?
> > >
> > > Robert Bailey
> > >
> > > Paul Ihrig wrote on 10/22/2003, 9:45 AM:
> > >
> > > > just curious if any one on the list has had it.
> > > >
> > > > i have always had it mildly. since i was 12 or so.
> > > > but was always some thing that seemed to be a layer to my
> personality.
> > > >
> > > > but lately i cant seem to shake this feeling of
dread/hopelessness.
> > > > i am sure part of it is not working & self esteem.
> > > >
> > > > but how do you know when it is bad?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > _____
> >
> >
> _____
>
>
>
_____
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