That was after months of training. I'm talking about someone who is
while reasonably fit , isn't at the same level as a fully trained
light infantry soldier. And trudging through 50 miles of swamp and
end stage spruce bog is not easy even for a Ranger. Someone from JTF2
or SAS perhaps or someone who grew up in the area, but me, no thanks.
larry
>Larry that doesn't mean with a swiss seat a 100 meters of cord and a little
>training they couldn't make it through. Look at the rangers on D-Day.
>
>
>Your thinking about Joe Schmo not a soldier/terrorist.
>
>Timothy Heald
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 4:16 PM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
>
>Look up where the Northern Angle is on the Minnesota/Ontario/Manitoba
>borders. Not fun stuff to go waltzing through.
>
>larry
>
>At 04:03 PM 11/6/2003, you wrote:
>>I'll pony up the cash.... You're talking to an ex-Marine here. :-)
>>
>>Matt Small
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Larry C. Lyons
>> To: CF-Community
>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
>>
>> NO I am saying that the vast majority of the border is secured and those
>> areas that are not are typically very difficult to walk across. Look at
>> the
>> border in Northwestern Ontario. That's mainly swamp, trees and lakes.
>Also
>> while they do not advertise it, even in these areas they are placing
>> electronic sensors etc to detect intrusions.
>>
>> As for my assumption, if you're willing to pay for it, I can take you to
>> some places along the border, and I'd love to see you traverse it. I'll
>> even hold onto the rope to haul you out when you go in over your head.
>>
>> larry
>>
>> At 02:54 PM 11/6/2003, you wrote:
>> >I thought Tim already did that. Do I need to find a thousand more
>> >instances or will his do? I distinctly remember that instance as the
>US
>> >was worried that an attack would happen on the new millenium eve, and
>in
>> >fact that's what I was thinking of when I wrote it. After 911, there
>was
>> >a lot of talk that terrorists would come into the US from Canada. I
>> don't
>> >know where this intelligence came from, but it was in the nightly
>> >news. I'm not making up lies, there's at least this one instance and
>I'm
>> >sure there are more.
>> >
>> >You're saying that the entire 3000+ mile border between the US and
>Canada
>> >is entirely unnavigable by foot? OK, that's ridiculous - you're
>making
>> >assertions that are unfounded. I'm sure you haven't been along the
>> entire
>> >length of the border. My assumption that it is possible to traverse
>the
>> >border in an unattended area somewhere is far more plausible than your
>> >assumption that it's not.
>> >
>> >- Matt Small
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Larry C. Lyons
>> > To: CF-Community
>> > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:32 PM
>> > Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
>> >
>> > The please show this so-called documentation, just don't make
>> assertions
>> > about it. Just saying its so doesn't make it true.
>> >
>> > I take it you've never been to the border, yes there are areas
>> where it is
>> > difficult to patrol, for very good reason, its swamp and rock. Its
>not
>> > something where you can just stroll through. Even the locals in
>these
>> > places would not try to go through the areas. I know I spent a lot
>> of time
>> > as a kid in northwestern Ontario very close to the border. It went
> > through
>> > areas where you don't want to go through, unless you have no qualms
>> about
>> > being up to your neck in swamp and bog.
>> >
>> > larry
>> >
>> > At 12:15 PM 11/6/2003, you wrote:
>> > >Excuse me, I meant that Middle-Eastern Terrorists are known to
>> come into
>> > >the US via Canada. This was publicized on national news shows
>> after 911.
>> > >Gosh, with this kind of story, if I were a terrorist, I would go
>> through
>> > >Canada - why would I even take the chance on being taken in at US
>> Customs
>> > >only to be deported and tortured? The fact that it has a HUGE
>> > unpatrolled
>> > >border with the US makes it a prime entry target. Whether or not
>you
>> > >believe it that is a matter of personal choice. I'm sure there's
>> > >documentation on it where it did happen as well your documentation
>> below.
>> > >
>> > >- Matthew Small
>> > >
>> > >----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: Dharmesh Goel
>> > > To: CF-Community
>> > > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:49 AM
>> > > Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
>> > >
>> > > Hi Mathew,
>> > >
>> > > I strongly disagree with
>> > >
>> > > "The publicized fact that is that Middle-Easterners are known
>> to come
>> > > into the US via Canada."
>> > >
>> > > This is a case of if a lie is told over and over again, people
>will
>> > > start believing it. The last time I checked, borders are manned
>and
>> > > controlled by US Immigration and customs at points of entry.
>> > >
>> > > Here is a discussion on this:
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>><http://www.cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/documents/030211_blamecanada_buchana
>n.html>http://www.cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/documents/030211_blamecanada_bu
>chanan.html
>> > >
>> > > Another article:
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>><http://www.herald.ns.ca/stories/2003/01/19/fObserver172.raw.html>http://ww
>w.herald.ns.ca/stories/2003/01/19/fObserver172.raw.html
>> > >
>> > > Tons of discussion on this topic out there in cyberspace.
>> > >
>> > > Some excerpts
>> > > ------------------------
>> > > DISCLOSURE: I'm sure you remember this whole incident over the
>New
>> > Year
>> > > period, where there was this alert that there were five men in the
>> > United
>> > > States.
>> > >
>> > > BUCHANAN: Mm hmm.
>> > >
>> > > DISCLOSURE: And reports were that they had come from Canada,
>> somehow
>> > > related to terrorism.
>> > >
>> > > BUCHANAN: And it was a hoax.
>> > >
>> > > DISCLOSURE: And it was a hoax.
>> > >
>> > > BUCHANAN: Right.
>> > >
>> > > DISCLOSURE: So, what do you make of that?
>> > >
>> > > BUCHANAN: Well it was a hoax but [laugh] they probably felt that
>> > > because it was from Canada it would be believed, is my guess.
>> > >
>> > > DISCLOSURE: Well is that fair?
>> > >
>> > > ------------------------
>> > > DISCLOSURE: -you've got a situation in this country where you
>> had 19
>> > > hijackers coming through the front door, now where's the problem?
>> > >
>> > > BUCHANAN: Well it -Look the- Clearly the United States is the
>> target.
>> > > And they come into our airports, they come through Canada, they
>come
>> > > through Mexico, so let's tighten-
>> > >
>> > > DISCLOSURE: Well they- who comes through Canada?
>> > >
>> > > BUCHANAN: Well- Look. We've already been over this, but-
>> > >
>> > > DISCLOSURE: Who comes through Canada though? Has there been an
>> > incident
>> > > with somebody who comes through-
>> > >
>> > > BUCHANAN: Well there are many terrorists as you know, so,
>> [laugh] that
>> > > have been sitting there almost operating freely-
>> > >
>> > > DISCLOSURE: Well-
>> > >
>> > > BUCHANAN: -up in Canada.
>> > >
>> > > DISCLOSURE: Well so you say, but where's the terrorist
>incidents?
>> > > ---------------------
>> > >
>> > > Dharmesh
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:38 PM
>> > > To: CF-Community
>> > > Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
>> > >
>> > > The publicized fact that is that Middle-Easterners are known to
>> come
>> > > into the US via Canada. This is a suspicious situation, plain and
>> > > simple. I didn't agree with the fact that he was tortured or
>> > > deported. I said it was suspicious and I believe the right thing
>> to do
>> > > is to question further. You don't have to give me one, the one
>> taints
>> > the
>> > > other two. I don't like a lot of things going on with this kind
>of
>> > > interrogation, but they were right on the money in detaining him
>for
>> > > further questioning. Bigoted? How about realistic. Lots of
>people
>> > have
>> > > been "further questioned" for far less, including myself. I'm a
>> young
>> > > white southern male.
>> > >
>> > > - Matt Small
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: Raymond Camden
>> > > To: CF-Community
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:37 PM
>> > > Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
>> > >
>> > > Wow, so you listed 3 facts:
>> > >
>> > > 1) A middle-easterner living in Canada.
>> > >
>> > > So, is Canada just a bunch of white guys?
>> > >
>> > > 2) Coming back from a Middle-Eastern country.
>> > >
>> > > So all Middle-Eastern countries are under suspicion now?
>> > >
>> > > 3) Known contact with a terrorist.
>> > >
>> > > Wasn't he a suspected, not proven terrorist? Wasn't the
>> contact from
>> > > years ago? I can maybe give you this one, but the other two
>are
>> > simply
>> > > wrong. Bigoted at worst.
>> > >
>> > > -rc
>> > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:40 AM
>> > > > To: CF-Community
>> > > > Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > A Middle-Easterner living in Canada, coming back from a
>> > > > Middle-Eastern country, known contact with Middle-Eastern
>> > > > terrorists. That's suspicious. I didn't say guilty, I said
>> > > > suspicious.
>> > > >
>> > > > - Matt Small
>> > > >
>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > From: Raymond Camden
>> > > > To: CF-Community
>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:22 PM
>> > > > Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > I don't agree with the torture and deportation... but I
>> > > > > stand by the fact that it's a very suspicious scene.
>> > > >
>> > > > Why? You said he was middle eastern flying from a islamic
>> > > > country. Is
>> > > > that something rare? Doesn't this happen thousands of
>times
>> > > > a day? Is it
>> > > > suspicious to fly home?
>> > > >
>> > > > -ray
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
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