-Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
> We're talking real ugly places here.
>
> :)
>
> larry
>
> At 04:03 PM 11/6/2003, you wrote:
> >I'll pony up the cash.... You're talking to an ex-Marine here. :-)
> >
> >Matt Small
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Larry C. Lyons
> > To: CF-Community
> > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
> >
> > NO I am saying that the vast majority of the border is secured and
those
> > areas that are not are typically very difficult to walk across. Look
at
> > the
> > border in Northwestern Ontario. That's mainly swamp, trees and lakes.
Also
> > while they do not advertise it, even in these areas they are placing
> > electronic sensors etc to detect intrusions.
> >
> > As for my assumption, if you're willing to pay for it, I can take you
to
> > some places along the border, and I'd love to see you traverse it.
I'll
> > even hold onto the rope to haul you out when you go in over your head.
> >
> > larry
> >
> > At 02:54 PM 11/6/2003, you wrote:
> > >I thought Tim already did that. Do I need to find a thousand more
> > >instances or will his do? I distinctly remember that instance as the
US
> > >was worried that an attack would happen on the new millenium eve, and
in
> > >fact that's what I was thinking of when I wrote it. After 911, there
was
> > >a lot of talk that terrorists would come into the US from Canada. I
> > don't
> > >know where this intelligence came from, but it was in the nightly
> > >news. I'm not making up lies, there's at least this one instance and
I'm
> > >sure there are more.
> > >
> > >You're saying that the entire 3000+ mile border between the US and
Canada
> > >is entirely unnavigable by foot? OK, that's ridiculous - you're
making
> > >assertions that are unfounded. I'm sure you haven't been along the
> > entire
> > >length of the border. My assumption that it is possible to traverse
the
> > >border in an unattended area somewhere is far more plausible than
your
> > >assumption that it's not.
> > >
> > >- Matt Small
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Larry C. Lyons
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:32 PM
> > > Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
> > >
> > > The please show this so-called documentation, just don't make
> > assertions
> > > about it. Just saying its so doesn't make it true.
> > >
> > > I take it you've never been to the border, yes there are areas
> > where it is
> > > difficult to patrol, for very good reason, its swamp and rock. Its
not
> > > something where you can just stroll through. Even the locals in
these
> > > places would not try to go through the areas. I know I spent a lot
> > of time
> > > as a kid in northwestern Ontario very close to the border. It went
> > through
> > > areas where you don't want to go through, unless you have no
qualms
> > about
> > > being up to your neck in swamp and bog.
> > >
> > > larry
> > >
> > > At 12:15 PM 11/6/2003, you wrote:
> > > >Excuse me, I meant that Middle-Eastern Terrorists are known to
> > come into
> > > >the US via Canada. This was publicized on national news shows
> > after 911.
> > > >Gosh, with this kind of story, if I were a terrorist, I would go
> > through
> > > >Canada - why would I even take the chance on being taken in at US
> > Customs
> > > >only to be deported and tortured? The fact that it has a HUGE
> > > unpatrolled
> > > >border with the US makes it a prime entry target. Whether or
not you
> > > >believe it that is a matter of personal choice. I'm sure there's
> > > >documentation on it where it did happen as well your
documentation
> > below.
> > > >
> > > >- Matthew Small
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Dharmesh Goel
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:49 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mathew,
> > > >
> > > > I strongly disagree with
> > > >
> > > > "The publicized fact that is that Middle-Easterners are known
> > to come
> > > > into the US via Canada."
> > > >
> > > > This is a case of if a lie is told over and over again, people
will
> > > > start believing it. The last time I checked, borders are manned
and
> > > > controlled by US Immigration and customs at points of entry.
> > > >
> > > > Here is a discussion on this:
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
><http://www.cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/documents/030211_blamecanada_buchana
n.html>http://www.cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/documents/030211_blamecanada_bu
chanan.html
> > > >
> > > > Another article:
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
><http://www.herald.ns.ca/stories/2003/01/19/fObserver172.raw.html>http://ww
w.herald.ns.ca/stories/2003/01/19/fObserver172.raw.html
> > > >
> > > > Tons of discussion on this topic out there in cyberspace.
> > > >
> > > > Some excerpts
> > > > ------------------------
> > > > DISCLOSURE: I'm sure you remember this whole incident over the
New
> > > Year
> > > > period, where there was this alert that there were five men in
the
> > > United
> > > > States.
> > > >
> > > > BUCHANAN: Mm hmm.
> > > >
> > > > DISCLOSURE: And reports were that they had come from Canada,
> > somehow
> > > > related to terrorism.
> > > >
> > > > BUCHANAN: And it was a hoax.
> > > >
> > > > DISCLOSURE: And it was a hoax.
> > > >
> > > > BUCHANAN: Right.
> > > >
> > > > DISCLOSURE: So, what do you make of that?
> > > >
> > > > BUCHANAN: Well it was a hoax but [laugh] they probably felt
that
> > > > because it was from Canada it would be believed, is my guess.
> > > >
> > > > DISCLOSURE: Well is that fair?
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------
> > > > DISCLOSURE: -you've got a situation in this country where you
> > had 19
> > > > hijackers coming through the front door, now where's the
problem?
> > > >
> > > > BUCHANAN: Well it -Look the- Clearly the United States is the
> > target.
> > > > And they come into our airports, they come through Canada, they
come
> > > > through Mexico, so let's tighten-
> > > >
> > > > DISCLOSURE: Well they- who comes through Canada?
> > > >
> > > > BUCHANAN: Well- Look. We've already been over this, but-
> > > >
> > > > DISCLOSURE: Who comes through Canada though? Has there been an
> > > incident
> > > > with somebody who comes through-
> > > >
> > > > BUCHANAN: Well there are many terrorists as you know, so,
> > [laugh] that
> > > > have been sitting there almost operating freely-
> > > >
> > > > DISCLOSURE: Well-
> > > >
> > > > BUCHANAN: -up in Canada.
> > > >
> > > > DISCLOSURE: Well so you say, but where's the terrorist
incidents?
> > > > ---------------------
> > > >
> > > > Dharmesh
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:38 PM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
> > > >
> > > > The publicized fact that is that Middle-Easterners are known
to
> > come
> > > > into the US via Canada. This is a suspicious situation, plain
and
> > > > simple. I didn't agree with the fact that he was tortured or
> > > > deported. I said it was suspicious and I believe the right
thing
> > to do
> > > > is to question further. You don't have to give me one, the one
> > taints
> > > the
> > > > other two. I don't like a lot of things going on with this kind
of
> > > > interrogation, but they were right on the money in detaining him
for
> > > > further questioning. Bigoted? How about realistic. Lots of
people
> > > have
> > > > been "further questioned" for far less, including myself. I'm a
> > young
> > > > white southern male.
> > > >
> > > > - Matt Small
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Raymond Camden
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:37 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
> > > >
> > > > Wow, so you listed 3 facts:
> > > >
> > > > 1) A middle-easterner living in Canada.
> > > >
> > > > So, is Canada just a bunch of white guys?
> > > >
> > > > 2) Coming back from a Middle-Eastern country.
> > > >
> > > > So all Middle-Eastern countries are under suspicion now?
> > > >
> > > > 3) Known contact with a terrorist.
> > > >
> > > > Wasn't he a suspected, not proven terrorist? Wasn't the
> > contact from
> > > > years ago? I can maybe give you this one, but the other two
are
> > > simply
> > > > wrong. Bigoted at worst.
> > > >
> > > > -rc
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:40 AM
> > > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > > Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > A Middle-Easterner living in Canada, coming back from a
> > > > > Middle-Eastern country, known contact with Middle-Eastern
> > > > > terrorists. That's suspicious. I didn't say guilty, I
said
> > > > > suspicious.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Matt Small
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Raymond Camden
> > > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:22 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I don't agree with the torture and deportation... but
I
> > > > > > stand by the fact that it's a very suspicious scene.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why? You said he was middle eastern flying from a
islamic
> > > > > country. Is
> > > > > that something rare? Doesn't this happen thousands of
times
> > > > > a day? Is it
> > > > > suspicious to fly home?
> > > > >
> > > > > -ray
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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