Missed you.  Welcome back to rhetoric central!

I don't see how Bush corrupted the Supreme Court since I believe that they
made the correct decision in Florida.  I don't see where / how he deceived us
and I certainly don't agree to the no purpose thing.  Latest polls from Iraq
support my view(only on throwing the bum out).

Besides that, we agree totally! ;-)
  -----Original Message-----
  From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 3:31 PM
  To: CF-Community
  Subject: Re:Bush gives the finger to the world again

  Andy,

  Perhaps you are putting the cart before the horse. Consider the possibility
that people may dislike Bush *because* he corrupted the Supremem Court,
deceived the American people time after time, and embroiled the US in a
senseless and dangerous military adventure to no good purpose. I mean, that is
enough for me.

  I don't say these things because I dislike the man. He seems quite sincere
in his beliefs, and if he were a member of my chuch I might invite him to
dinner. That doesn't make his beliefs less dangerous. Nor does it mean that he
is not being used, or possibly allowing himself to be used.

  Personally, I rather dislike the Clintons. I still have a reluctant
admiration for them. Both of them are great populists.
  >Clearly, if you hold this perspective, then you ought to fight to ensure
that
  >NO US businesses are allowed to bid or be paid for any activity there.
  >
  >However, the tough love thing is a bit much.  Is it possible that you hate
the
  >current administration with a passion and want it to be hurt, embarrassed
at
  >any cost?  If so, this could be clouding your reasoning.
  >
  >Given the current reality, it makes no sense to allow any country that did
not
  >support the current efforts to bid or profit.  In fact, there is a solid
  >argument that if France and Germany had supported the US that the war may
  >never have been needed.  Sadaam, seeing the writing on the wall, would have
  >capitulated.  However, this is seer speculation that is not were we are
now.
  >Just like this continuing anger over Bush(can we hear about the stolen
  >election again?).
  >
  >So, lets think about what needs to happen given where we are today, shall
we.
  >First, we need to world to start participating.  While Bush is not doing
  >everything I would like him to do, both France and Germany are still
pouting
  >about being made irrelevant.  There refusal to contribute anything to the
  >rebuilding effort underscores this.  Perhaps this total exclusion, which is
a
  >response to their previous actions may slap them into the here and now.
They
  >will have to deal with Bush, must likely for more than 4 years.
  >
  >Andy
  >  -----Original Message-----
  >  From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  >  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:59 AM
  >  To: CF-Community
  >  Subject: Re: Bush gives the finger to the world again
  >
  >
  >  Personally, I want America to feel this economically. I want the us to
have
  >  to pay the price for lying and attacking with no provocation.
  >
  >  I say that as a staunch supporter of America. It's tough love. If we do
  >  something wrong, we shouldn't reap the benefits. It's that simple. I
don't
  >  want the US to be the Mafia of the world.
  >
  >  -Kevin
  >
  >  ----- Original Message -----
  >  From: "John Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  >  To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  >  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:52 AM
  >  Subject: RE: Bush gives the finger to the world again
  >
  >  > the us and the other sixty-odd countries who helped us get to bid. now
I'm
  >  > not arguing the fact that the us companies may get the bulk of the
  >  > contracts, but I as a taxpayer would rather my money go to US companies
  >  than
  >  > another countries.
  >  >
  >  > i am also not arguing that there wont be corruption in the contract
  >  process,
  >  > ahem Halibuton, but it is still better than the French getting my
money.
  >  >
  >  > -----Original Message-----
  >  > From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  >  > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:46 AM
  >  > To: CF-Community
  >  > Subject: Re: Bush gives the finger to the world again
  >  >
  >  >
  >  > Why should US companies benefit from a war manufactured by our own
  >  country?
  >  > When organized crime does that it's called a "protection racket".
  >  >
  >  > -Kevin
  >  >
  >  > ----- Original Message -----
  >  > From: "John Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  >  > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  >  > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:32 AM
  >  > Subject: RE: Bush gives the finger to the world again
  >  >
  >  > > The countries in question can still do business with Iraq, they just
  >  cant
  >  > > bid on the contracts that the US taxpayers are paying for. They can
be
  >  > hired
  >  > > as subcontractors for the contracts as well. I dont see why this is
such
  >  a
  >  > > huge deal? Why should the US taxpayers pay french companies to
rebuild
  >  > Iraq
  >  > > when they werent willing to support the US efforts in the first
place?
  >  > >
  >  > > -----Original Message-----
  >  > > From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  >  > > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:28 AM
  >  > > To: CF-Community
  >  > > Subject: Bush gives the finger to the world again
  >  > >
  >  > >
  >  > > Former top U.S. officials are blasting the Bush administration for
  >  > reopening
  >  > > a rift with Europe by excluding critics of the war from prime
contracts
  >  > for
  >  > > Iraq's reconstruction.
  >  > >
  >  > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,105433,00.html
  >  > <http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,105433,00.html>
  >  > > <http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,105433,00.html>
  >  > >
  >  > > "I thought we were in the process of acquiring support rather than
  >  > > alienating it," former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright (search)
  >  > said.
  >  > >
  >  > > So let me get this straight.
  >  > >
  >  > > 1. Economy is bad.
  >  > > 2. Find a patsy country and accuse them of something unfounded.
  >  > > 3. Get called on it by other countries.
  >  > > 4. Attack anyway
  >  > > 5. Deny reconstruction contracts to countries that wouldn't help in
an
  >  > > illegal war.
  >  > >
  >  > > And people are complaining? I don't get it. It looks like a perfect
plan
  >  > to
  >  > > boost the economy by giving local companies big contracts.
  >  > >
  >  > > -Kevin
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  >  > >
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  >  > >
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