Darn, guess I need to pack up my truck and move to DC then to avoid this frustration I now have ...
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:50:45 +0000, Simon Horwith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Johnny - just thought I'd give you a friendly warning/piece of advice: > try not to compare DC with anywhere else in the world when it comes to > the CF job market. It only frustrates people that don't live here. Yes > - the market in DC is unreal... but that's unique to DC. > > ~Simon > > Simon Horwith > CIO, AboutWeb - http://www.aboutweb.com > Editor-in-Chief, ColdFusion Developers Journal > Member of Team Macromedia > Macromedia Certified Master Instructor > Blog - http://www.horwith.com > > Johnny Le wrote: > > >Where do you guys live? The job market is booming in DC. It is very easy > >to find a CF job here. Not only that, many CF developers make DotNet salary. > > > >I am not sure if you should worry about cheap foreign labor. The cheap > >labor is definitely attractive. I actually hired them on a bunch of > >projects before, and now I rather pay extra for developers here. Off-shore > >developers are actually coders and not developers. Their code is extremely > >messy. They don't account for all the scenerios. Things don't tie > >together. Pages are all over the place. They constantly reinvent the wheel. > > After using the applications for a while, all applications started to fall > >apart. Now it would take me a lot of time to figure out what's going on and > >try to fix it. > > > >Communication was also difficult. You can tell them things over and over > >again, but they will always do the way they want to do it. They don't want > >to collaborate with other teams. They always do their own things. > > > >So I think eventually all the companies will crawl back to us. Unless the > >foreign coders become the real developers, but that also means their salary > >will increase. So I think we will be safe. > > > >Johnny > > > > > > > >>Yeah, I've been there. I got laid from a 30 person (6 developer) > >>company off at the end of August; I was a Sr. CF Programmer, lead UI > >>guy, backup to the sysadmin and on alternating thursdays I played > >>Banjo in the band. Turns out they were sold but hadn't made the news > >>public, they were trying to make the balance sheet look as good as > >>possible so they laid off some people. We did lots of high-volume CF > >>stuff. It pissed me off; after 10 years in the industry, this was the > >>first time I was the one being laid off. > >> > >>Fortunately, I'm realistic enough to be able to look at myself and ask > >>realistic questions. Such as, "Would I hire a 45 year old me?" (I'm > >>38 now). So, a couple of years ago I went back to work on an M.Ed. so > >>that I could teach high school English. That's what I did to turn a > >>depressing revelation (the answer to the question I asked myself) into > >>a real plan that will take me for the next 30 years of this journey > >>called "life". > >> > >>The downside is, I was unemployed for over 4 months. I only recently > >>landed a job with a small company rewriting a critical internal app, > >>which should be an 8 or 9 month project...at the end of the project, > >>I'll be ready to student teach, and then I can segue into a new (and > >>hopefully final, I can't see them offshoring teachers, and it's one of > >>those few careers where age and experience is an asset) career. > >> > >>Anyway, yes, the state of the tech industry is depressing. I'm a tech > >>guy, I love technology, I love building web sites. Fortunately, I > >>also like planning ahead. There will always be offshoring, and soon > >>enough, jobs will be being offshored from India to the next tech-savvy > >>but cheap labor force. There will always be new buzzwords that the IT > >>and development managers of the world will be chasing, believing them > >>to be the next big thing. Me? I guess I've grown weary of it all. > >> > >>Good on ya', mate, for getting a new gig. They are definitely fewer > >>and farther between. > >> > >>Pete > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Logware: a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2207 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
