While I know you're referring to the original Michael in this thread, I feel
compelled to reply, as an employer myself.
1. Those who flat out copy other designs, whether it be a corporate website,
or a simple resume, indicate to an employer like myself that:
a. they lack creativitiy
b. they lack integrity (asking permission before ripping off an idea would
indicate this person has some decency)
c. they lack the ability to problem solve on thier own
Ray's response to the allegations of Michael getting ripped off were even
more telling:
"how many possible ways can you display contact info?"
Certainly there isn't just 1 way - that response displays lack of problem
solving.
"I look at hundreds of web sites each week, and make mental notes of what I
like and dislike. I just compare the sites as you suggested, and they are
very similar. Therefore, I most of like your site when I saw it."
So Ray liked Michael's site so much when he saw it, that he committed it to
memory, remembering details like font choice, color values, content
location, etc? To me that indicates dishonesty, lack of personal
responsibility to ones actions.
Considering the circumstances, I think Michael handled himself very well,
and should not be looked down upon for not wanting his site ripped off. You
might be flattered, Michael is not, and by law, has a right to be upset and
take action if needed.
Michael Buffington
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(714) 556-3890 x222
http://www.price.com
-----Original Message-----
From: William J Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 3:57 PM
To: CF-Jobs
Subject: Re: Senior Developer Available - FT. Lauderdale, FL
WOW!
Michael dont you think that is a bit getting carried away?
Instead of being mad he used your design why not say WOW I am very greatful
that you would use my code as your own. Do you really think just the look of
your resumes will be what sways an EMPLOYER? Looking at it from my point, if
i was looking for new developers (Which i'm not at the moment but will be in
a few months) then i would certainly take 1 look at your pissed off post and
say do i want someone like that working for my company? And it will
immediately put a negative on the list of Pros and Cons. If it was my design
personally i would be honored to have it used. BUT now if it was a WEbsite
design or something for business thats a different story but for a resume i
think its getting a little carried away.
Just relax and know that if you are qualified you can be happy and know you
will get the job. Just my thoughts as an employer and also as a fellow
developer.
Bill Wheatley
Director of Development
Allaire Certified ColdFusion Developer
AEPS INC
Allaire ColdFusion Consulting Partner
www.aeps.com
www.aeps2000.com
954-472-6684 X303
ICQ: 417645
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Lobb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Jobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 6:10 PM
Subject: RE: Senior Developer Available - FT. Lauderdale, FL
> I have noticed that coldfusion websites all have some similar
> characteristics. Other than background color, the option to download the
> resume in one of three STANDARD formats, and the use of the same four
> GENERIC navigation buttons on the homepage, what else is similar? Viewing
> the source shows that you two have dissimilar coding styles.
>
> I think it is a shame that the stresses of a tight job market have caused
> people to start sniping at each other like this. But if that is your
method
> of release, flame away.
>
> Dan Lobb
>
>
>
> At 10:41 AM 01/22/2001 , you wrote:
> >Dear Ray,
> >
> >Your post to this list, the list of your qualifications, and your website
> >all look very nice. I couldn't have done better myself...
> >
> >Possibly this is because your post, your list of qualifications, and your
> >website are all made up primarily of material you simply cut and pasted
from
> >MY post of about a week ago, the list of qualifications from MY resume,
and
> >all the layout and graphics from MY website.
> >
> >Please feel free to compare and contrast...
> >http://www.michaelconger.com
> >VS
> >http://www.rayfernandez.com
> >.... The "resume" and "contact" sections of each site are particularly
good
> >examples.
> >
> >Since federal and international copyright laws, basic standards of
> >professional courtesy, and the great deal of time/thought/effort I put
into
> >creating these things evidently do not apply and/or are of no consequence
to
> >you...
> >
> >I thought it would be the least I could do to contact you and see if
there's
> >anything else I can do for you... I have a nicely formated new resume
that I
> >spent a couple weeks on if you're interested. Really, my time and effort
> >aren't really worth much to me... if you'd care to capitalize on them in
any
> >way in the future, please don't hesitate to do so.
> >
> >-Michael Conger
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >ps. Sorry for letting you know all of this on the list Ray... I just
> >assumed that since you didn't bother to contact me personally about any
of
> >this, that this is your prefered method of contact.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Ramon E. Fernandez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 10:41 AM
> >To: CF-Jobs
> >Subject: Senior Developer Available - FT. Lauderdale, FL
> >
> >
> >I am a Senior ColdFusion developer actively seeking telecommute
> >opportunities, contract or
> >full-time employment in the FT. Lauderdale, Florida area.
> >
> >Highly skilled professional web developer, experienced in planning,
> >designing, implementing, and managing
internet/intranet/extranet/ecommerce
> >projects on different scales, through all phases of development.
> >
> >Experience working both individually and as a team lead.
> >
> >Skills Brief:
> >
> >ColdFusion BrainBench Certified.
> >Wide-ranging experience with ColdFusion (6yrs).
> >Microsoft SQL server (4yrs).
> >Oracle server (6mos).
> >Excellent coding skills and comprehensive knowledge of CFML, WDDX and VB.
> >Expert proficiency in HTML (6yrs), DHTML, CSS, and JavaScript (3 yrs).
> >Working knowledge and growing proficiency in XML, ASP/VBscript, ActiveX,
> >CGI/Perl.
> >Expert knowledge of web design principles including page layout, GUI
design,
> >and graphic design.
> >Well versed on all major operating systems (workstation and server), web
> >servers, and browsers.
> >
> >My resume, along with examples of my work, and contact information, can
be
> >found at my website:
> >http://www.rayfernandez.com
> >
> >Please feel free to contact me at any time with questions or comments.
> >
> >Thank You!
> >
> >Ray Fernandez
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> >-----------------------------------------------------------------
> >Ramon E. Fernandez | Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Internet Consultant | CIS UserID: 75205,1611
> >Web Page Creations | "Any smoothly functioning technology
> >Phone: (954) 975-4681 | will have the appearance of magic."
> >Fax: (954) 975-4619 | - Arthur C. Clarke
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> >
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