Hi Folks I have to declare a preference to pointing to the BODC copy as the primary copy since we've built our CF vocab management tooling to ingest new vocab members directly into their vocabuarly managment system - and if we have any problems, debugging them can be done on the same timezone.
Cheers Bryan > Ditto! Implementing what is suggested would be around 20 lines of > code. We've done the same for SeaDataNet to get their vocabs within > their namespace such as > http://www.seadatanet.org/urnurl/SDN:P021::TEMP > > Cheers, Roy. > > ________________________________________ > From: cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu > [cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu] On Behalf Of John Graybeal > [jbgrayb...@mindspring.com] Sent: 14 December 2010 17:56 > To: Steve Hankin > Cc: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu > Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Web reference to a standard name? > > In theory, MMI can support that approach (redirecting > cfconventions.org, ideally transparently). (That is, I worked it > out in my head once. Haven't actually tried it in practice. I > *think* it's "just a simple matter of programming". ;->) I think > that's the best combination to support both appropriate branding and > the kind of support a "full time dedicated" repository can give. > Roy's server perhaps the same. (But not both at once!) > > Just to be crystal clear, the places where you have '16' could also > have 'current' (if I understand correctly what Roy was saying about > their server), and the mmisw one could also be served with a > particular version ID (analogous to the NERC example). > > If there is someone on the CF (or other) team that wants to play with > us on the 'simple matter of programming' part, that would be a > collaboration we'd be happy to encourage. > > John > > On Dec 14, 2010, at 08:16, Steve Hankin wrote: > > I second that thought. > > > > On 12/14/2010 3:12 AM, Bryan Lawrence wrote: > >> Hi Dom > >> > >> Actually, I think we really want: > >> > >> http://cfconventions.org/something > >> > >> (We own cfconventions.org, so we can point it where we want!) > >> > >> And I would like in 2011 to have settled on a permanent answer to > >> that question! > >> > >> Cheers > >> Bryan > >> > >>> Thanks all, > >>> > >>> Interesting to see the new MMI ontology work. > >>> I take from this discussion then that there is not currently a CF > >>> 'blessed' method to reference a term? > >>> > >>> E.g. for air_temperature I can choose from any of these: > >>> > >>> http://mmisw.org/ont/cf/parameter/air_temperature > >>> http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/term/P071/16/CFSN0023 > >>> http://cf-pcmdi.llnl.gov/documents/cf-standard-names/standard-nam > >>> e-ta ble/16/cf-standard-name-table.html#air_temperature plus: > >>> http://cf-pcmdi.llnl.gov/documents/cf-standard-names/standard-na > >>> me-ta ble/16/cf-standard-name-table.xml > >>> > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Dom > >>> > >>> On 14/12/10 08:18, Lowry, Roy K. wrote: > >>>> Dear All, > >>>> > >>>> Working to find a way of harmonising the two sources of > >>>> web-served Standard Names is on by ‘To-Do’ list for next year > >>>> (part of an issue list fed into the NETMAR project by John G.) > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, Roy. > >>>> > >>>> *From:* cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu > >>>> [mailto:cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu] *On Behalf Of *John > >>>> Graybeal *Sent:* 13 December 2010 22:28 > >>>> *To:* Benno Blumenthal > >>>> *Cc:* cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu > >>>> *Subject:* Re: [CF-metadata] Web reference to a standard name? > >>>> > >>>> A minor clarification as to how MMI is doing things: > >>>> > >>>> Benno, all, > >>>> > >>>> On Dec 13, 2010, at 07:25, Benno Blumenthal wrote: > >>>> We have tried to get standard URIs for CF concepts, but the > >>>> effort bogged down. > >>>> > >>>> As for standard names, MMI established a set of URIs at > >>>> > >>>> http://marinemetadata.org/cf > >>>> > >>>> but has not been keeping up to date. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for the mention. This is our older URL, sorry; we are now > >>>> maintaining CF standard names in our ontology repository, using > >>>> resolvable URLs. [1] > >>>> > >>>> There was a period when MMI was not keeping up to date with CF > >>>> changes, but in the recent past we have been continuously > >>>> updating the SKOS ontology for the parameter names at the site > >>>> Carlos mentioned [1] (We will forward the misleading /cf URL > >>>> above, or fix it to make clear in some other way the current > >>>> status; thanks for calling that out.) > >>>> > >>>> As with Roy's handling, we provide URLs both for the current > >>>> version at the reference URL, and for individual releases of the > >>>> vocabulary. > >>>> > >>>> John > >>>> > >>>> [1] http://mmisw.org/ont/cf/parameter > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I have written a XSL transform at > >>>> > >>>> http://iridl.ldeo.columbia.edu/ontologies/xslt/.cfsn2rdf.xsl > >>>> > >>>> that can be applied to > >>>> > >>>> http://cf-pcmdi.llnl.gov/documents/cf-standard-names/standard-na > >>>> me- table/16/cf-standard-name-table.xml > >>>> > >>>> to generate an up-to-date version, e.g. > >>>> > >>>> xsltproc > >>>> http://iridl.ldeo.columbia.edu/ontologies/xslt/.cfsn2rdf.xsl > >>>> http://cf-pcmdi.llnl.gov/documents/cf-standard-names/standard-na > >>>> me -table/16/cf-standard-name-table.xml > >>>> > >>>> On the other hand, Roy has created opaque URIs for standard > >>>> names at > >>>> > >>>> http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/list/P07/9 contains all the Standard > >>>> Names that have ever been published, including names that have > >>>> been aliased > >>>> > >>>> http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/list/P071/9 contains the Standard > >>>> Names that are currently valid (i.e. those that have not been > >>>> deprecated through aliasing) > >>>> > >>>> http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/list/P072/9 contains the Standard > >>>> Names that have been deprecated through aliasing > >>>> > >>>> The mapping between deprecates and their replacement aliases my > >>>> be obtained through the following API call > >>>> > >>>> http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/axis2/services/vocab/getMap?subjectL > >>>> ist > >>>> =http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/list/P072/current&predicate=255&ob > >>>> ject > >>>> List=http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/list/P071/current&inference=fa > >>>> lse > >>>> <http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/axis2/services/vocab/getMap?subjec > >>>> tLi > >>>> st=http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/list/P072/current&predicate=255&; > >>>> obje > >>>> ctList=http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/list/P071/current&inference= > >>>> fals e> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> he changes them with each version, so it is both more definitive > >>>> and harder to use. It is also pure SKOS, so one needs to add > >>>> structure to actually connect it with a CF-described dataset. I > >>>> plan to write out a map between the two, so that I can use his > >>>> relationships between CF standard_names, but I do not have it > >>>> yet. > >>>> > >>>> Additional information and ontologies describing the CF > >>>> structure both as attributes and conceptually are available at > >>>> http://iridl.ldeo.columbia.edu/ontologies/, including the > >>>> connections between the standard_name ontologies and the CF > >>>> structure. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Benno > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Dominic Lowe > >>>> <dominic.l...@stfc.ac.uk > >>>> > >>>> <mailto:dominic.l...@stfc.ac.uk>> wrote: > >>>> > Hello all, > >>>> > > >>>> > What's the current CF recommended scheme for referencing a > >>>> > standard > >>>> > >>>> name on > >>>> > >>>> > the web? (either by URL or URN). > >>>> > > >>>> > I know about the vocab server and the xml/html online > >>>> > versions and could choose to use URLs to point to items in > >>>> > any of these but is there a definitive pattern that should > >>>> > be used? (or at least a best practice that should be > >>>> > encouraged?). > >>>> > > >>>> > Much appreciated, > >>>> > > >>>> > Dominic > >>>> > -- > >>>> > Scanned by iCritical. > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>> > CF-metadata mailing list > >>>> > CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu<mailto:CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu> > >>>> > http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Dr. M. 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