I don't have a hard slant against MM or CF. I just point out the problems I see with both.
Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 4:00 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! > > Wow. > > Is someone just a little bit bitter? > > I thought I had detected a hard slant against MM and CF, but you are > making it _way_ too easy. > > And since all we see are complaints... > > Cold Fusion working perfectly here. Windows based. Version 5. Nice little > cluster. Love it. > > FWIW > Jerry Johnson > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/08/02 01:02PM >>> > I have pointed out things to whoever will listen at Macromedia and I all > I have to show for it is removal of my beta access to a JRun service > pack. Thanks! > > Matt Liotta > President & CEO > Montara Software, Inc. > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > 888-408-0900 x901 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jesse Noller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 12:00 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! > > > > And have you pointed this out to your Sales Rep? A tech support > person? > > Vernon? Have you pointed this out anywhere other than a 3rd party > mailing > > list? > > > > Jesse Noller > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Macromedia Server Development > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:40 AM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! > > > > > > Jessie, I don't think you are getting it. We all understand what > > > Macromedia's policy on this issue is. We just disagree with it and > chose > > > not to follow it. For some (like Lee) that may mean that CF is no > longer > > > an option. For me, it was a company directive to remove all CF > > > dependencies from our product suite. We'll still OEM CFMX for > customers > > > that want CF, but we are no longer betting the farm on it. > > > > > > Matt Liotta > > > President & CEO > > > Montara Software, Inc. > > > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > > > 888-408-0900 x901 > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Jesse Noller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:27 AM > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > I'll BE the guinea pig.. No problem! But I need the total > > > > > responsiveness from MM to make it work. And I'm completely > willing > > > to > > > > > share my experiences and solutions with the CF community, so > that > > > they > > > > > can benefit from it. > > > > > > > > > > But.. (And there's ALWAYS a BIG BUT(T) somewhere! <grin>) > Don't > > > ask me > > > > > for a credit card to do this. > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > If we cannot reproduce this in house, we cannot fix it. If it > is > > > not > > > > escalated through support, the likelihood of the problem getting > > > addressed > > > > is negligible. > > > > > > > > We can do comparisons all day long, however what it boils down > > > to is > > > > this: > > > > > > > > You and anyone else seeing this problem, need to contact > > > technical > > > > support. You need to allow them to get the information they need > to > > > point > > > > you to a solution. Yes, other people may have seen this problem, > but > > > so > > > > far, as far as I can tell, the problem seems like "CF Dies under > > > load". > > > > > > > > Well, we ran CFMX under load, for *weeks* before we shipped > it. > > > I > > > > know; I had to help out with it. > > > > > > > > We have supplied a clearly defined avenue to getting your > issues > > > > heard. The avenue is supported and maintained by Macromedia (ie: > not a > > > 3rd > > > > party mailing list, or a website) and this is the most efficient > > > method of > > > > issue resolution we have at the moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it perfect or foolproof? Is it final? No. Are we examining > it > > > and > > > > looking for ways of improving it? Yes. > > > > > > > > Right now however, that is the *best* method of getting an > issue > > > > resolved. > > > > > > > > -Jesse > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > | -----Original Message----- > > > > > | From: Scott Brader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > | Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 7:28 AM > > > > > | To: CF-Talk > > > > > | Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! > > > > > | > > > > > | > > > > > | Before anyone else comments, yes, this probably should be a > > > > > | cf-community topic now. > > > > > | > > > > > | Jesse, > > > > > | I certainly see your point, however, as a developer and small > > > > > | business owner, there are financial concerns that a large > > > > > | organization like MM wouldn't understand. My business > > > > > | _depends_ on my customers being able to trust what I tell > > > > > | them. If I recommend a change to their > > > > > | hardware/software/processes/etc. and they implement it, my > > > > > | reputation is on the line. In that light, I am always _very_ > > > > > | hesitant to recommend production software upgrades until they > > > > > | have been through the wringer a while. > > > > > | > > > > > | My other problem is that, to report a possible bug, many > > > > > | software companies expect you to essentially "put down a > > > > > | deposit" before they will take your call. I, for one, simply > > > > > | cannot afford to gamble that tech support is going to agree > > > > > | that my issues are bugs until they get a lot of reports of > > > > > | it. That is a financial risk for small businesses that are > > > > > | struggling to survive in these economic times. > > > > > | > > > > > | Maybe if the software companies (and I'm not saying MM > > > > > | doesn't, because I simply haven't checked) provided an > > > > > | efficient tool for reporting possible bugs without requiring > > > > > | the normal full tech support call and deposit, people would > > > > > | be more likely to civilly report the bugs than vent on the > forums. > > > > > | > > > > > | Thanks, > > > > > | Scott > > > > > | > > > > > | Scott Brader > > > > > | Prairie Software Development LLC > > > > > | 101 East Sadd Street > > > > > | PO Box 235 > > > > > | North Prairie, WI 53153-0235 > > > > > | > > > > > | Phone: 262.392.9173 > > > > > | Fax: 262.392.9174 > > > > > | > > > > > | Toll Free: 888.821.3427 > > > > > | Mobile: 262.490.1376 > > > > > | > > > > > <http://www.prairiesoftdev.com> > > > > > > > > > > Amateurs practice until they get it right, > > > > > Experts practice until they can't get it wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
