Sure... I'm down. Let me know how I can help...
-- jon
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Schreiber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 3:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
I feel like I'm talking to empty air. ;p
Who's up for turning SMB into the phpBB (which I use to great
success on is300.net) of CF forums?
> I hear you, Adrocknaphobia... there really isn't a "perfect" forum system
> out there. (I've been running online forums for several years, most
recently
> for a large non-profit website...)
>
> That said, PhpBB comes pretty darn close... and it's because of the
reasons
> you describe. A large developer community contributing code, mods, new
> themes, and doing code peer review, etc... has created some excellent
> results. The result is a top-knotch OpenSource project with the extended
> feature set one might demand from such a project.
>
> So... here's my question... Why bother to compete? If all you're looking
for
> is a top knotch opensource forum, why not dive in and contribute to PhpBB?
> It's a pretty remarkable little project, and certainly worth checking out.
>
> Don't get me wrong -- I think CF could really use a high quality OS forum
> system. I know we'd use it if we could migrate from Fusetalk. I mean,
> fusetalk is cool and all, but I had to hack the heck out of it to get it
to
> do what we wanted.... and now any kind of upgrade path is somewhat dubious
> to say the least, given all the little changes we made. I'd contribute
code
> the code that I changed to fusetalk, I guess, but the motivation to
improve
> somebody else's commercial products in a way that doesn't benefit me (or
the
> community as a whole) at all isn't all that strong.
>
> Obviously, with CF, it's not that hard to build a mediocre forum system.
But
> building a great one... well, that's another story altogether. If someone
> does dive into this, let us know -- I might be interested in helping out a
> bit as well if it's the right project.
>
> -- jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 2:10 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
>
>
> Yeah, I think we have two different philosophies on open-source.
> I'd write open-source for the need of building the perfect application
> utilizing multiple developer perspectives. (To save from the headaches
> of rewriting everyone else's) Quite frankly, the 'perfect BBS app' has
> yet to be written. And I'm surprised.
>
> Adam Wayne Lehman
> Web Systems Developer
> Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
> Distance Education Division
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jon roig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 10:35 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
>
> I've open sourced small things in CF, but as for Open Sourcing a big
> project... why on earth would I want to do that on a platform that is
> inherently not free?
>
> As much as I like CF and working in it -- I do make a living from it --
> I'd
> much rather do my open source programming in a language that presents no
> $$$
> barrier to adoption, a platform that anyone on earth can use, regardless
> of
> financial backing. (I created OpenRealty --
> http://jonroig.com/freecode/openrealty in PHP, for instance, and it's
> being
> used by hundreds of sites...)
>
> I'm not one of those little Stallman groupies either... and that's also
> not
> to say there aren't little pockets of OS CF stuff developing. I mean,
> look
> at CFLIB.org and how helpful that has been to the community.
>
> -- jon
>
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> jon roig
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> epilepsy foundation
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 11:47 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
>
>
> Chris,
>
> I've dealt with UBB, fuseTalk, ezBoard, and the old Allaire Forums. If I
> can say anything on the subject, it's that NO ONE has gotten it right
> (especially on the database end).
>
> Mike D said a year ago he was going to re-write the old Allaire Forums
> and eventually open source it. Which, stop me if I'm wrong, is what is
> being used on houseoffusion.com? But I think I missed the part where he
> open sourced it. Last I checked in June at cfFun, he said he was still
> working on it.
>
> I for one would really like to work an open-source bbs project. I think
> there is a pretty high demand for a sturdy open source board, which can
> be customized at the will of the programmer. I've thrown around the
> open-source idea with a bunch of people but found our selves intimidated
> by the legal requirements.
>
> You know we have a really great community here, but I can't tell you of
> ANY cold fusion open-source projects. Is open source cold fusion a pipe
> dream? Would anyone else be interested in contributing?
>
> Adam Wayne Lehman
> Web Systems Developer
> Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
> Distance Education Division
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:58 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Cold Fusion forum
>
> Howdy Michael,
>
> Thursday, December 19, 2002, 7:54:13 PM, Michael T. Tangorre wrote:
>
> > I am attempting to to try some more advanced things with an idea I
> > have. I am going to be building an online forum to tinker with.. can
> > anyone point me to some database examples? The code side is what I am
> > going to be playing with but need a good architecture to use.. anyone
> > know of one I can download?
>
> I didn't see a reply to this yet, so I'll offer one to consider:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/fbopenforums/
>
> It uses Fusebox, but you might be able to get something useful out of
> it.
>
> If you are wanting to explore how the database would be structured for a
> forums app, you might want to research hierarchical database design,
> parent-child relationships, or using recursion with your database.
>
> This page is an example of doing recursive joins for a forum:
> http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q120899-1.shtml
> with a follow-up here:
> http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q121799-1.shtml
>
> Another post about threaded discussion forums database design:
> http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=1353
> with a follow-up here:
> http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=1602
>
> Some good SQL sites to check out:
> http://www.dbmsmag.com/index.shtml
> http://www.codebits.com/ntm/
> http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2001/07/12/aboutSQL.html
> http://www.sqlteam.com/Default.asp
> http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/
> http://www.intelligententerprise.com/info_centers/database/
> http://www.databasejournal.com/
> http://www.sqlmag.com/
>
> Hope that helps you somewhat.
>
> Happy Holidays!
>
> --
> Chris Montgomery monty @ airtightweb.com
> Airtight Web Services http://www.airtightweb.com
> Web Development, Web Project Management, Software Sales
> 210-490-3249/888-745-7603
>
>
>
>
>
>
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