Sure... I'm down. Let me know how I can help... -- jon
-----Original Message----- From: Tony Schreiber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 3:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) I feel like I'm talking to empty air. ;p Who's up for turning SMB into the phpBB (which I use to great success on is300.net) of CF forums? > I hear you, Adrocknaphobia... there really isn't a "perfect" forum system > out there. (I've been running online forums for several years, most recently > for a large non-profit website...) > > That said, PhpBB comes pretty darn close... and it's because of the reasons > you describe. A large developer community contributing code, mods, new > themes, and doing code peer review, etc... has created some excellent > results. The result is a top-knotch OpenSource project with the extended > feature set one might demand from such a project. > > So... here's my question... Why bother to compete? If all you're looking for > is a top knotch opensource forum, why not dive in and contribute to PhpBB? > It's a pretty remarkable little project, and certainly worth checking out. > > Don't get me wrong -- I think CF could really use a high quality OS forum > system. I know we'd use it if we could migrate from Fusetalk. I mean, > fusetalk is cool and all, but I had to hack the heck out of it to get it to > do what we wanted.... and now any kind of upgrade path is somewhat dubious > to say the least, given all the little changes we made. I'd contribute code > the code that I changed to fusetalk, I guess, but the motivation to improve > somebody else's commercial products in a way that doesn't benefit me (or the > community as a whole) at all isn't all that strong. > > Obviously, with CF, it's not that hard to build a mediocre forum system. But > building a great one... well, that's another story altogether. If someone > does dive into this, let us know -- I might be interested in helping out a > bit as well if it's the right project. > > -- jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 2:10 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > > > Yeah, I think we have two different philosophies on open-source. > I'd write open-source for the need of building the perfect application > utilizing multiple developer perspectives. (To save from the headaches > of rewriting everyone else's) Quite frankly, the 'perfect BBS app' has > yet to be written. And I'm surprised. > > Adam Wayne Lehman > Web Systems Developer > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > Distance Education Division > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jon roig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 10:35 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > > I've open sourced small things in CF, but as for Open Sourcing a big > project... why on earth would I want to do that on a platform that is > inherently not free? > > As much as I like CF and working in it -- I do make a living from it -- > I'd > much rather do my open source programming in a language that presents no > $$$ > barrier to adoption, a platform that anyone on earth can use, regardless > of > financial backing. (I created OpenRealty -- > http://jonroig.com/freecode/openrealty in PHP, for instance, and it's > being > used by hundreds of sites...) > > I'm not one of those little Stallman groupies either... and that's also > not > to say there aren't little pockets of OS CF stuff developing. I mean, > look > at CFLIB.org and how helpful that has been to the community. > > -- jon > > ------------- > jon roig > senior manager, online production > epilepsy foundation > phone: 215.850.0710 > site: http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 11:47 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > > > Chris, > > I've dealt with UBB, fuseTalk, ezBoard, and the old Allaire Forums. If I > can say anything on the subject, it's that NO ONE has gotten it right > (especially on the database end). > > Mike D said a year ago he was going to re-write the old Allaire Forums > and eventually open source it. Which, stop me if I'm wrong, is what is > being used on houseoffusion.com? But I think I missed the part where he > open sourced it. Last I checked in June at cfFun, he said he was still > working on it. > > I for one would really like to work an open-source bbs project. I think > there is a pretty high demand for a sturdy open source board, which can > be customized at the will of the programmer. I've thrown around the > open-source idea with a bunch of people but found our selves intimidated > by the legal requirements. > > You know we have a really great community here, but I can't tell you of > ANY cold fusion open-source projects. Is open source cold fusion a pipe > dream? Would anyone else be interested in contributing? > > Adam Wayne Lehman > Web Systems Developer > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > Distance Education Division > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:58 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Cold Fusion forum > > Howdy Michael, > > Thursday, December 19, 2002, 7:54:13 PM, Michael T. Tangorre wrote: > > > I am attempting to to try some more advanced things with an idea I > > have. I am going to be building an online forum to tinker with.. can > > anyone point me to some database examples? The code side is what I am > > going to be playing with but need a good architecture to use.. anyone > > know of one I can download? > > I didn't see a reply to this yet, so I'll offer one to consider: > http://sourceforge.net/projects/fbopenforums/ > > It uses Fusebox, but you might be able to get something useful out of > it. > > If you are wanting to explore how the database would be structured for a > forums app, you might want to research hierarchical database design, > parent-child relationships, or using recursion with your database. > > This page is an example of doing recursive joins for a forum: > http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q120899-1.shtml > with a follow-up here: > http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q121799-1.shtml > > Another post about threaded discussion forums database design: > http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=1353 > with a follow-up here: > http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=1602 > > Some good SQL sites to check out: > http://www.dbmsmag.com/index.shtml > http://www.codebits.com/ntm/ > http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2001/07/12/aboutSQL.html > http://www.sqlteam.com/Default.asp > http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/ > http://www.intelligententerprise.com/info_centers/database/ > http://www.databasejournal.com/ > http://www.sqlmag.com/ > > Hope that helps you somewhat. > > Happy Holidays! > > -- > Chris Montgomery monty @ airtightweb.com > Airtight Web Services http://www.airtightweb.com > Web Development, Web Project Management, Software Sales > 210-490-3249/888-745-7603 > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com