Not too many, these days... and compared to the # of hosts that support CF?
-- jon
-----Original Message-----
From: Cutter (CF_Talk) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 9:44 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
I can think of one good reason...Some hosts do not support PHP.
Cutter
jon roig wrote:
>I hear you, Adrocknaphobia... there really isn't a "perfect" forum system
>out there. (I've been running online forums for several years, most
recently
>for a large non-profit website...)
>
>That said, PhpBB comes pretty darn close... and it's because of the reasons
>you describe. A large developer community contributing code, mods, new
>themes, and doing code peer review, etc... has created some excellent
>results. The result is a top-knotch OpenSource project with the extended
>feature set one might demand from such a project.
>
>So... here's my question... Why bother to compete? If all you're looking
for
>is a top knotch opensource forum, why not dive in and contribute to PhpBB?
>It's a pretty remarkable little project, and certainly worth checking out.
>
>Don't get me wrong -- I think CF could really use a high quality OS forum
>system. I know we'd use it if we could migrate from Fusetalk. I mean,
>fusetalk is cool and all, but I had to hack the heck out of it to get it to
>do what we wanted.... and now any kind of upgrade path is somewhat dubious
>to say the least, given all the little changes we made. I'd contribute code
>the code that I changed to fusetalk, I guess, but the motivation to improve
>somebody else's commercial products in a way that doesn't benefit me (or
the
>community as a whole) at all isn't all that strong.
>
>Obviously, with CF, it's not that hard to build a mediocre forum system.
But
>building a great one... well, that's another story altogether. If someone
>does dive into this, let us know -- I might be interested in helping out a
>bit as well if it's the right project.
>
> -- jon
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 2:10 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
>
>
>Yeah, I think we have two different philosophies on open-source.
>I'd write open-source for the need of building the perfect application
>utilizing multiple developer perspectives. (To save from the headaches
>of rewriting everyone else's) Quite frankly, the 'perfect BBS app' has
>yet to be written. And I'm surprised.
>
>Adam Wayne Lehman
>Web Systems Developer
>Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
>Distance Education Division
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: jon roig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 10:35 AM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
>
>I've open sourced small things in CF, but as for Open Sourcing a big
>project... why on earth would I want to do that on a platform that is
>inherently not free?
>
>As much as I like CF and working in it -- I do make a living from it --
>I'd
>much rather do my open source programming in a language that presents no
>$$$
>barrier to adoption, a platform that anyone on earth can use, regardless
>of
>financial backing. (I created OpenRealty --
>http://jonroig.com/freecode/openrealty in PHP, for instance, and it's
>being
>used by hundreds of sites...)
>
>I'm not one of those little Stallman groupies either... and that's also
>not
>to say there aren't little pockets of OS CF stuff developing. I mean,
>look
>at CFLIB.org and how helpful that has been to the community.
>
> -- jon
>
>-------------
>jon roig
>senior manager, online production
>epilepsy foundation
>phone: 215.850.0710
>site: http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org
>email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 11:47 AM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
>
>
>Chris,
>
>I've dealt with UBB, fuseTalk, ezBoard, and the old Allaire Forums. If I
>can say anything on the subject, it's that NO ONE has gotten it right
>(especially on the database end).
>
>Mike D said a year ago he was going to re-write the old Allaire Forums
>and eventually open source it. Which, stop me if I'm wrong, is what is
>being used on houseoffusion.com? But I think I missed the part where he
>open sourced it. Last I checked in June at cfFun, he said he was still
>working on it.
>
>I for one would really like to work an open-source bbs project. I think
>there is a pretty high demand for a sturdy open source board, which can
>be customized at the will of the programmer. I've thrown around the
>open-source idea with a bunch of people but found our selves intimidated
>by the legal requirements.
>
>You know we have a really great community here, but I can't tell you of
>ANY cold fusion open-source projects. Is open source cold fusion a pipe
>dream? Would anyone else be interested in contributing?
>
>Adam Wayne Lehman
>Web Systems Developer
>Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
>Distance Education Division
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:58 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: Cold Fusion forum
>
>Howdy Michael,
>
>Thursday, December 19, 2002, 7:54:13 PM, Michael T. Tangorre wrote:
>
>
>
>>I am attempting to to try some more advanced things with an idea I
>>have. I am going to be building an online forum to tinker with.. can
>>anyone point me to some database examples? The code side is what I am
>>going to be playing with but need a good architecture to use.. anyone
>>know of one I can download?
>>
>>
>
>I didn't see a reply to this yet, so I'll offer one to consider:
>http://sourceforge.net/projects/fbopenforums/
>
>It uses Fusebox, but you might be able to get something useful out of
>it.
>
>If you are wanting to explore how the database would be structured for a
>forums app, you might want to research hierarchical database design,
>parent-child relationships, or using recursion with your database.
>
>This page is an example of doing recursive joins for a forum:
>http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q120899-1.shtml
>with a follow-up here:
>http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q121799-1.shtml
>
>Another post about threaded discussion forums database design:
>http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=1353
>with a follow-up here:
>http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=1602
>
>Some good SQL sites to check out:
>http://www.dbmsmag.com/index.shtml
>http://www.codebits.com/ntm/
>http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2001/07/12/aboutSQL.html
>http://www.sqlteam.com/Default.asp
>http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/
>http://www.intelligententerprise.com/info_centers/database/
>http://www.databasejournal.com/
>http://www.sqlmag.com/
>
>Hope that helps you somewhat.
>
>Happy Holidays!
>
>--
>Chris Montgomery monty @ airtightweb.com
>Airtight Web Services http://www.airtightweb.com
>Web Development, Web Project Management, Software Sales
>210-490-3249/888-745-7603
>
>
>
>
>
>
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