> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 2:32 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: No so good news
> 
> > If it were still available as a stand-alone application - which it
> > would
> > pretty much have to be - it would still be covered by the patent as
it
> > would be automatically launching executable code from a hyper-text
> > environment.
> >
> The patent specifically refers to plug-ins and not technology directly
> built into the browser.

The patently specifically referrers to (in small part):

"A method for running an application program in a computer network
environment, comprising: 

providing at least one client workstation and one network server coupled
to said network environment, wherein said network environment is a
distributed hypermedia environment;"

The Patent actually NEVER refers specifically to plug-ins.  You can read
it here:

http://164.195.100.11/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&;
p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1='5838906'.WKU.&OS=PN/5838906
&RS=PN/5838906

> > MS stands to lose just as much (potentially more) as anybody in
this:
> > should they lose much of their technology also becomes suspect: OLE,
> > COM, ActiveX, .NET and so forth.  This would mean rebuilding not
just
> > IE, but also potentially Office, all of their reference products
> > (Encarta, Streets and Trips, etc) ALL of MSN and all of the
properties
> > under it (MSNBC, CarPoint, Expedia, TerraServer, etc), it also seems
> > that any VBA-enabled hyper-text applications would fall into the
realm.
> >
> Again, the patent only covers plug-ins used from within a browser.
> Please read it for specifics at to what is covered.

I did read it.  The summary states:

"This invention relates generally to manipulating data in a computer
network, and specifically to retrieving, presenting and manipulating
embedded program objects in distributed hypermedia systems."

No mention of plug-ins at all.  Although "browser" is mentioned it
specifically in reference to a "hypermedia" system - which can include
much more than a traditional web browser.  This such a file-system
browsers, database browsers and so forth can be included if they are
based on hypermedia concepts.

As long as the system first displays "a first distributed hypermedia
document to identify text formats..." and then specifies in said text
format "at least a portion of an object external to the first
distributed hypermedia document" then it's covered by the patent.

This covers much more than Web Browsers and Plug-ins - especially since
so many applications (especially reference applications) use the same
model as web browsers.

> I belief your analysis is incorrect based on a misunderstanding of
what
> the patent covers.

Then we're even.  ;^)

Jim Davis



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