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Since when did every domain need it's own IP address? Unless you are still building
for Netscape 2.0...
At 11:05 AM 7/27/00 -0700, !jeff! wrote:
>On top of everything you said, I don't believe an OS can support 13,000 IP
>addresses, therefore they cannot support that many virtual domains on a
>single host. I think there was probably a typo in the original post.
>
>j
>
>
>At 11:40 AM 7/27/2000 -0600, Nick Call wrote:
>>Okay, I am calling BS on this. Total BS. I priced rack-mount servers.
>>Even if I could afford a dozen of them in one shot, the discounted cost per
>>server never gets below 1300 each for a CHEAP one with no OS or CF. We are
>>talking one SCSI hard drive, 512 meg ram, medium-range dual processor, only
>>one NIC card, only one power supply. Rack mounts are more expensive by
>>nature. My ENTRY level server TOWER with NT, SQL, CF, and e-mail cost me 7
>>grand. Welcome to reality.
>>
>>You are also talking about 13,000 domains on one single server. That would
>>require multiple NIC cards, redundant power supplies, RAID-5 array, quad
>>processors, some sort of load balancing switch to handle it all, and plenty
>>of bandwidth. In my region, you can't get a single T-1 for less than $825 a
>>month on a one-year contract, and that's if you know someone and get special
>>pricing.
>>
>>I could go on and on, but the reality is it costs money to do hosting
>>properly, period. Way more than a grand.
>>
>>Also, there are plenty of us running an entire server farm just to handle
>>ONE domain! A single rack mount box would melt if you tried to put 13000
>>domains on it, even if only half of them were running CF.
>>
>>Okay, I am ranting. My point is, don't be taken by marketing fluff! If
>>Shanje wants to stick by that claim (listed below), I will gladly pay for a
>>plane ticket to go down there myself and tour their facility. If it turns
>>out to be true, I will move my domains there. I believe they are NOT
>>running 13,000 Fusion-driven domains with 99% uptime on a single rack-mount
>>box that they will sell me for a grand. More like a couple of boxes each
>>the size of a refrigerator.
>>
>>Good luck!
>>Nick
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Cary Gordon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 10:40 AM
>>Subject: $1,000 servers (was: High-Powered Scaling)
>>
>>
>> > Yo, Paul,
>> >
>> > Where can I get a $1,000 server that will run 13,000 domains with 99.9%
>> > uptime? I am serious. I am paying about $800 for 512mb of ram on our
>>Dell
>> > 2450s. At that price, I would have to get everything else for $200!
>> >
>> > Please tell us. Or, just tell me<g>.
>> >
>> > Cary
>> >
>> > At 09:24 PM 7/26/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>> > >It would be interesting to see an accurate estimates of price points.
>>For
>> > >example, http://www.shanje.com/loadbalancing.shtml uses inexpensive rack
>> > >units for web/CF servers, about $1,000 each, and hosts over 13,000
>>domains
>> > >on each server. Shiloh's web farm provides over 99.9% uptime on
>>websites.
>> > >
>> > >So I wonder what the software/hardware costs are, NT vs Solaris, to
>>achieve
>> > >the same reliability goal of 99.9%
>> > >
>> > >best, paul
>> >
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<font size=3>Since when did every domain need it's own IP address? Unless
you are still building for Netscape 2.0...<br>
<br>
At 11:05 AM 7/27/00 -0700, !jeff! wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>On top of everything you said, I don't believe
an OS can support 13,000 IP <br>
addresses, therefore they cannot support that many virtual domains on a
<br>
single host. I think there was probably a typo in the original
post.<br>
<br>
j<br>
<br>
<br>
At 11:40 AM 7/27/2000 -0600, Nick Call wrote:<br>
>Okay, I am calling BS on this. Total BS. I priced
rack-mount servers.<br>
>Even if I could afford a dozen of them in one shot, the discounted
cost per<br>
>server never gets below 1300 each for a CHEAP one with no OS or
CF. We are<br>
>talking one SCSI hard drive, 512 meg ram, medium-range dual
processor, only<br>
>one NIC card, only one power supply. Rack mounts are more
expensive by<br>
>nature. My ENTRY level server TOWER with NT, SQL, CF, and
e-mail cost me 7<br>
>grand. Welcome to reality.<br>
><br>
>You are also talking about 13,000 domains on one single server. That
would<br>
>require multiple NIC cards, redundant power supplies, RAID-5 array,
quad<br>
>processors, some sort of load balancing switch to handle it all, and
plenty<br>
>of bandwidth. In my region, you can't get a single T-1 for less
than $825 a<br>
>month on a one-year contract, and that's if you know someone and get
special<br>
>pricing.<br>
><br>
>I could go on and on, but the reality is it costs money to do
hosting<br>
>properly, period. Way more than a grand.<br>
><br>
>Also, there are plenty of us running an entire server farm just to
handle<br>
>ONE domain! A single rack mount box would melt if you tried to
put 13000<br>
>domains on it, even if only half of them were running CF.<br>
><br>
>Okay, I am ranting. My point is, don't be taken by marketing
fluff! If<br>
>Shanje wants to stick by that claim (listed below), I will gladly pay
for a<br>
>plane ticket to go down there myself and tour their facility. If it
turns<br>
>out to be true, I will move my domains there. I believe they
are NOT<br>
>running 13,000 Fusion-driven domains with 99% uptime on a single
rack-mount<br>
>box that they will sell me for a grand. More like a
couple of boxes each<br>
>the size of a refrigerator.<br>
><br>
>Good luck!<br>
>Nick<br>
><br>
><br>
>----- Original Message -----<br>
>From: "Cary Gordon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]><br>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]><br>
>Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 10:40 AM<br>
>Subject: $1,000 servers (was: High-Powered Scaling)<br>
><br>
><br>
> > Yo, Paul,<br>
> ><br>
> > Where can I get a $1,000 server that will run 13,000 domains
with 99.9%<br>
> > uptime? I am serious. I am paying about $800 for
512mb of ram on our<br>
>Dell<br>
> > 2450s. At that price, I would have to get everything else
for $200!<br>
> ><br>
> > Please tell us. Or, just tell me<g>.<br>
> ><br>
> > Cary<br>
> ><br>
> > At 09:24 PM 7/26/2000 -0700, you wrote:<br>
> > >It would be interesting to see an accurate estimates of
price points.<br>
>For<br>
> > >example,
<a href="http://www.shanje.com/loadbalancing.shtml"
eudora="autourl">http://www.shanje.com/loadbalancing.shtml</a>
uses inexpensive rack<br>
> > >units for web/CF servers, about $1,000 each, and hosts over 13,000<br>
>domains<br>
> > >on each server. Shiloh's web farm provides over 99.9% uptime on<br>
>websites.<br>
> > ><br>
> > >So I wonder what the software/hardware costs are, NT vs Solaris, to<br>
>achieve<br>
> > >the same reliability goal of 99.9%<br>
> > ><br>
> > >best, paul<br>
> ><br>
> >
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