very impressive.
At 06:14 PM 7/27/2000 -0400, Steve Pierce wrote:
>Nick Call wrote:
> >> Okay, I am calling BS on this. Total BS. I priced rack-mount servers.
> >> Even if I could afford a dozen of them in one shot, the discounted cost
>per
> >> server never gets below 1300 each for a CHEAP one with no OS or CF.
>
>You are paying too much for your computers and your bandwidth. You need to
>work with a better purchasing person and get better deals. Depending on what
>you pay for processor and RAM you can build a system for around a $1,000 a
>unit. No software in this price. Remember, this is a cluster, you don't need
>expensive SCSI drives. You need to rethink they way you put together your
>systems when you look at clustering. SCSI is out, it isn't needed. All the
>old rules don't apply.
>
>Yes it is 13,000 domains on one server. Every server has every domain and
>they function as a cluster. And no, IIS won't do this, in fact it can't.
>Microsoft after reviewing this config last year first said Shanje was nuts
>and was on a Jihad. Then they said after reviewing this config, we should
>have done it this way, IIS can't handle this.
>
>Here is what Microsoft said after reviewing Shanje's config on Oct 26, 1999:
>
>"We have seen clustered configurations with web server boxes in the cluster
>serving up any of the sites in the cluster (typically via host-headers) off
>of a shared network storage device (typically a Network Appliances box).
>We have seen this a lot with UNIX and Apache but not on NT, at least not
>until now. Website because it doesn't have a strong tie to the native
>NT security system would be more readily adaptable to such a clustering
>scheme than IIS would."
>
>In my opinion, Website smokes IIS when you look at Super Hosting domains on
>servers. In my mind there is no other solution. The only program that can
>handle this sort of domain traffic in a cluster is O'Reilly Website. Shanje
>believes they can get way more domains per server cluster with no noticeable
>degradation in cluster performance. Considering what I have seen so far, it
>is no doubt in my mind that they are correct.
>
>then Nick Call wrote:
> >> I will gladly pay for a plane ticket to go down there myself and tour
> >> their facility. If it turns out to be true, I will move my domains there.
>
>When do you want to come up? The only requirement for a tour is you have to
>report back to this list what you see. This is the real deal, I stake my
>reputation on this. I have been on this list since day one. I would not make
>this claim or corroborate what Shanje is doing if it wasn't true.
>
>Cheers!
>
> - Steve
>
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>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nick Call [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 1:41 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: $1,000 servers (was: High-Powered Scaling)
>
>
>Okay, I am calling BS on this. Total BS. I priced rack-mount servers.
>Even if I could afford a dozen of them in one shot, the discounted cost per
>server never gets below 1300 each for a CHEAP one with no OS or CF. We are
>talking one SCSI hard drive, 512 meg ram, medium-range dual processor, only
>one NIC card, only one power supply. Rack mounts are more expensive by
>nature. My ENTRY level server TOWER with NT, SQL, CF, and e-mail cost me 7
>grand. Welcome to reality.
>
>You are also talking about 13,000 domains on one single server. That would
>require multiple NIC cards, redundant power supplies, RAID-5 array, quad
>processors, some sort of load balancing switch to handle it all, and plenty
>of bandwidth. In my region, you can't get a single T-1 for less than $825 a
>month on a one-year contract, and that's if you know someone and get special
>pricing.
>
>I could go on and on, but the reality is it costs money to do hosting
>properly, period. Way more than a grand.
>
>Also, there are plenty of us running an entire server farm just to handle
>ONE domain! A single rack mount box would melt if you tried to put 13000
>domains on it, even if only half of them were running CF.
>
>Okay, I am ranting. My point is, don't be taken by marketing fluff! If
>Shanje wants to stick by that claim (listed below), I will gladly pay for a
>plane ticket to go down there myself and tour their facility. If it turns
>out to be true, I will move my domains there. I believe they are NOT
>running 13,000 Fusion-driven domains with 99% uptime on a single rack-mount
>box that they will sell me for a grand. More like a couple of boxes each
>the size of a refrigerator.
>
>Good luck!
>Nick
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Cary Gordon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 10:40 AM
>Subject: $1,000 servers (was: High-Powered Scaling)
>
>
> > Yo, Paul,
> >
> > Where can I get a $1,000 server that will run 13,000 domains with 99.9%
> > uptime? I am serious. I am paying about $800 for 512mb of ram on our
>Dell
> > 2450s. At that price, I would have to get everything else for $200!
> >
> > Please tell us. Or, just tell me<g>.
> >
> > Cary
> >
> > At 09:24 PM 7/26/2000 -0700, you wrote:
> > >It would be interesting to see an accurate estimates of price points.
>For
> > >example, http://www.shanje.com/loadbalancing.shtml uses inexpensive rack
> > >units for web/CF servers, about $1,000 each, and hosts over 13,000
>domains
> > >on each server. Shiloh's web farm provides over 99.9% uptime on
>websites.
> > >
> > >So I wonder what the software/hardware costs are, NT vs Solaris, to
>achieve
> > >the same reliability goal of 99.9%
> > >
> > >best, paul
> >
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