As I don't know how your PC's are set up...I couldn't tell you.

Eric 

-----Original Message-----
From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 22 January 2007 08:58
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Apache config

All my workstations and servers are set to received automatic updates, which
then reboot the pc if necessary.  If most of the updates, do not require
reboots, then why have my PC's been rebooting monthly like clockwork?  

Russ


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:34 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Apache config
> 
> Why are you rebooting your Windows box when the patch doesn't require it?
> Sounds like a user issue...not an OS issue :-D.
> 
> Eric
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, 21 January 2007 00:05
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Apache config
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 3:25 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Apache config
> >
> <snip>
> >
> > As for the whole open source argument, no, IIS nor third-party IIS 
> > tools are open source. For something that is essentially a 
> > commodity, like a web server, I have never needed the ability to 
> > edit the source, I wouldn't be qualified to edit the source, and I 
> > suspect that this is true for many of the people on this list. Out 
> > of curiosity, are you an Apache committer? If you're not, have you 
> > made changes to the Apache source? If you do make changes, what do 
> > you do when a new version comes out? How are you any better in this 
> > respect than the "one man companies" you mention above?
> >
> I am not an Apache committer, and I would not be qualified to be one.  
> I do know that there are thousands of eyes looking at the Apache 
> source and finding bugs and vulnerabilities.  I do upgrade my Apache 
> versions from time to time, and I do it more often if a serious 
> vulnerability is found.
> Unlike
> Windows, however, this is not very often.
> 
> On linux, apache gets automatically updated between minor versions as 
> part of the nightly update.
> 
> > > Ok, maybe not so simple, but once you get the hang of it, you can 
> > > feel the power.  Just like using linux for servers instead of 
> > > windows.  It takes time to learn how to administer it, but once 
> > > you do, you'll never go back.  For one thing you won't have to 
> > > worry about monthly security patches.  They silently download at 
> > > night without ever needing a reboot.  My Linux server has been up 
> > > for 91 days.  People have their servers up for years at a time 
> > > without rebooting.  Can you say the same about windows?
> >
> > Actually, the vast majority of Windows patches no longer need a 
> > reboot, and if you think 91 days is an impressive uptime number, 
> > well, I'm sorry to say, but most of my Windows servers have higher 
> > uptime than that.
> >
> 
> Vast majority is not all.  I have my servers set to auto reboot when 
> windows patches come out, and they have been rebooting on a monthly 
> basis.  The last time they rebooted was 12/17.  If your servers have a 
> higher uptime then
> 91
> days, you must not be doing your job of patching server very well.
> 
> Now I said my Linux server has an uptime of 91 days.  The only reason 
> it's so small, is because I was probably having some issue, and still 
> have the preconceived notion from the Windows world that a reboot 
> usually fixes things.  If I didn't reboot manually, I would've had a 
> much higher uptime, and as I've mentioned, I have seen Linux servers 
> with uptimes measured in years, all while receiving nightly updates.
> 
> Russ
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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