Gerald, Yes, I am saying that the hosting business shouldn't be run like the car rental business in this regard. But, even so, that analogy doesn't hold a lot of water. Car rental companies do, in fact, screen their users. You have to have a valid license. You have to be of a certain age, and so forth. If you are a flagrantly reckless driver, or violate their terms, you will not be able to rent a car.
And, most importantly, if you rent a car and crash into me, a car rental company won't hide your identity. In contrast, when I ask softlayer and other hosting shops to provide information about whose servers are actually launching the attacks, they never comply. So, yes, I am saying that they and their clients should be required to take some responsibility. When hosting companies let spammers run wild, they have come under pressure legally and more informally to do something about it and that is the direction I would like to see these kinds of issues go in. Respectfully, N > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:49 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: OT - Box has been attacked by cowboy > > >>I would say that if SoftLayer's boxes are being compromised > to launch > attacks, then yes they are bad actors. > > They rent dedicated servers (10,000 of them according to them). > > That is the moral equivolent of holding a car rental company > liable for accidents caused by people that rent the cars. The > responsibility for the security for *unmanaged* servers the > the person that operates the server, not the company from > which it is rented. Just like you are responsible for > securing your own desktop at home. > > Not if it were *managed* dedicated servers being compromised > that would be another case entirely. > > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Nick Gleason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I would say that if SoftLayer's boxes are being compromised > to launch > > attacks, then yes they are bad actors. Since we have seen many > > attacks coming from different Ips that are registered to > them, I feel > > confident in making that assertion. > > > > I may also have some sympathy for them that they are the > source of the > > problem. Perhaps they are doing their best or have great > intentions. > > But, > > the results also matter and what is undeniable is that SL is the > > source of a lot of attacks. That is important and their should be > > some culpability for that sort of thing. If Don met the same > > criteria, then I would say the same thing. > > > > Respectfully, > > > > N > > > > > > > .............................................................. > ............... > > ...... > > > > Nick Gleason | CitySoft, Inc. | http://www.citysoft.com > > > > Direct: (617) 899-5395 | Fax: (617) 507-0444 > > > > > > Spend Less >> Do More - Community Enterprise combines great > features > > with an affordable price. > > > > > .............................................................. > ............... > > ...... > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 3:36 PM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: RE: OT - Box has been attacked by cowboy > > > > > > > I don't think that anything said here is libelous in the > > > least. He is > > > > only describing what happened. Hacks were done from an IP > > > registered > > > > to SoftLayer. People /should/ be talking about these sorts > > > of things > > > > so that ISPs hosting bad actors will tighten up security. > > > We've seen > > > > a number of incidents traced back to softlayer > ourselves and they > > > > should feel some heat when that happens. > > > > > > You have no idea whether this ISP is hosting bad actors. All you > > > know is that attacks have been logged from their IP addresses. If > > > Don's servers have been compromised, others may now log > attacks from > > > his servers. Is he a bad actor? > > > > > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > > > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > > > > > Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners > > > http://training.figleaf.com/ > > > > > > WebManiacs 2008: the ultimate conference for CF/Flex/AIR > developers! > > > http://www.webmaniacsconference.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299164 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
