FYI, I used to do a lot of Java development and you obviously don't know a
lot about Java.  Java is the only development language out there written
from the ground up with server extendability in mind.  Whether a java code
base is small or not, depends on what the code must accomplish, and on how
well it is written: this goes for all programming languages.  The java VM is
not the fastest loading thing on the planet, but it does execute code very
fast once it is running.  This wasn't so true in java 1.01, but a lot's
changed since then.  No, java is not optimized for the OPERATING SYSTEM it's
running on, but it IS designed to make full use of the Virtual machine, and
the virtual machine IS optimized to run optimally on the Operating System it
was designed for.  It just goes to show you; you can't believe everything
you read... either that, or you'd best get crackin on that PHP code.

~Simon

> Simon Horwith
> Certified ColdFusion Developer
> Fig Leaf Software
> 1400 16th St NW, # 220
> Washington DC 20036
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> 


-----Original Message-----
From: Zachary Bedell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:39 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Java and CF


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> Allaire has annonced that CF 6 will be 
> entirely written in
> Java on the back end, with CF Tags actually being translated 
> into JSP Code
> and then passed to a servlet engine, all on the back-end.

My only question:  What kind of crack is Allaire smoking, and where
can the rest of us get some?

Good grief!  What would possess an otherwise intelligent programmer
to write a server in Java?  An app server should be small, concise,
FAST, and super optimized for the system it's running on.  Java
misses the boat on all of those criteria.

Am I the only remaining programmer who hasn't jumped on the Java
bandwagon?  I mean... Java's great for certain tasks -- namely those
where speed isn't much of an issue but cross platform functionality
is.  That's certainly not the case for an application server with
thousands of concurrent accesses.  There is no WAY a Java server can
out perform a *well* *written* C++ server.  I wish Allaire would
spend their time fixing & optimizing the C++ codebase instead of
scraping it and rewriting in Java.

I can say this for sure:  If CF ever goes to a Java backend, I'm
moving to PHP...

Regards,
Zac Bedell

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