I pushed that...he doesn't like PayPal for some reason...he is under the impression that people don't like it. Not something that I have ever heard...but he has that stuck in his head. I have suggested several other free options. It's not decision unfortunately. I even suggested that he use café press for now until; he gets some sales (He wants to do a t-shirt site...I questioned whether or not this would even take off as he would be a really small fish in a huge ocean of t-shirt sites). He insists on doing his own site...so finding a good cart to integrate into this that he can afford is the difficulty...which is why I asked here and instead of getting advice from folks like Sean, I was told that if I can't afford the carts out there for 200, I shouldn't even be a developer. So if you really want to point a finger, I was just defending myself.
Eric -----Original Message----- From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 8:27 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF Shopping carts C'mon Eric. Let's keep these types of comments on cf-comm where they belong. okees? :) Does it need to be cf? Could you use paypal shopping cart? Something that's more geared towards a higher transaction fee but no upfront cost? https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/xcl/rec/sc-intro-outside On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > I think you assume too much. First off...I'm not a newbie. It also > doesn't > matter who said it. I have a lot of respect for Sean and what he has done, > but that doesn't negate the fact that his comments were elitist BS, > regardless if "he is telling it like it is"...that is just a cop out. My > client can't afford much. I am actually doing this job as a favor on > promise of payment as he can afford it. As I am also otherwise unemployed > right now I also can't afford it. Most of the consulting I do is via > agencies, but my last one was 1099, so no unemployment to hold me out till > my next contract. (we just recently moved and pretty much depleted what > little we had in savings to accomplish that) While I am glad you and Sean > are rolling in the dough, that is not the case for everyone. Yours and > Sean's assumption that $200 or $500 is chump change is pretty elitist. I > wish I had the ability to dump that kind of cash, but I live in the real > world with a family to take care of. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Pepperman [mailto:chorno...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 7:52 PM > To: cf-talk > Subject: Re: CF Shopping carts > > > > > > Sorry if I don't buy the BS elitist attitude there. > > > In defense of Seans comments, I do not see this above statement to be > even remotely true. > Sean has always had a great ability to just "say it like it is"-- And I > have > to agree with him this time-- > Please take Sean's statements for what they are, he is not singling out > people or projecting an elitist POV-- he is a powerful voice of reasoning > that has considerable and very valuable experience in this field, if he > says > something you do not agree with, there is a very good chance you could be > wrong. ( I know this from my personal ego battles with myself ). > > This type of bashing is not doing anything productive, and in fact is just > confirming what Sean said is the problems with the CF community compared to > other OS community's. > Especially someone like *Sean Corfield* who contributes a huge amount of > time and awesome code for FREE -- (-*-reminder to self. send Sean more free > T-shirts* :) > If you need something for free it is out there-- you can find it-- but the > statement Sean made was just making a point about software and fees > associated with them-- thats it. > > I have to agree with Sean too, if a few hundred dollars is too much when > you > are looking for a paid CF cart compared to rolling your own you are in the > wrong business. > The people shouldn't even hire you to do it, because in the long-run, it > will cost them 10 times to pay someone who is inept then to just pay for > the > real deal from the get-go-- that is a simple fact. > If you ever have to inherit some newbie's legacy code, you will know > exactly > what I am talking about-- I was a newbie once too-- I have inherited all my > own legacy apps-- and man did I suck at it. > Even a struggling business in a poor economy should have a few hundred > dollars-- I mean if 3-400 dollars has to be even discussed by a company or > a > developer when trying to decide if this important part of the project can > be > afforded or not, one must really consider if the business model is even > viable at all. > Especially if the software is complete-- the time to develop a cart > yourself, or modify one of the existing FOSS solutions that could > even remotely compare to just the limited solutions that are available in > the CF world, would easily take months-- if not longer. > Ill bet even CFShopCart (even with its flaws) took hundreds of hours-- if > not longer to build-- the money spent on it would be a huge discount > compared to doing it yourself. > I deal with 9 clients right now, and they deal with 6 figure decisions on > a daily basis, as do many mom and pops-- yes every corner store in the USA > looks at 6 figure bills every year. > > Sean does know what he is talking about-- he really does-- this > conversation > is not about the one-off bs contract job for a startup mom and pops that is > friends of your uncle Joe :) > This is about bringing something (FOSSCFCART) that does not exist to our > community and what it will take to pull it off. > > > Now that is out, I am glad to see some people responding-- especially > people > who have positive influence on the CF community (you know who you are) and > have something of value to say. > Like I mentioned, I am willing to put my resources into this-- I have 12 > years experience in the eCommerce world and I have the backing and capital > of many well known clients who are all willing to put real resources into a > FOSS CF cart. > > Anyone with me? Or am I on my own? > > -- > /Kevin Pepperman > > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety, > deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334915 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
