Wait...what?
-Your client refuses to listen to you and has rejected your every
suggestion.
-Your client has no money and refuses to use the free resources
already available.
-Your client expects you to build a custom site for free.
-You agreed to build the site on the hopes that you'll get paid when
it takes off.
-You don't believe this site will ever take off.
-You're unemployed, and are doing this work for free knowing that
you'll probably never get paid for it.
I think I've found the source of your frustration, and it's not that
there isn't a free CF shopping cart...
I've been an unemployed, broke, work from home, take what you can get,
freelance contractor myself, so I know where you're coming from. (My
wife and I both lost our jobs on the same day back in 2005, so I REALLY
know where you're coming from!) I've wasted many, many hours on these
types of clients in the hopes that one day it would turn into
something. What I found, though, was that the ones that wanted
everything for nothing to start with will continue to expect everything
for nothing even after their business takes off (if it ever does). Even
if you're doing work for a friend, they'll always expect the
good-ole-boy discount. I can hear it now, "C'mon man, I could outsource
this for a third of what you're wanting to charge me. You never tried
to charge me this much before!"
I also realized that there comes a point where you have to fire some
clients. If it's not profitable, then it's a waste of time. Sure, I
realize that sometimes you have a $100 electric bill that's due and you
need to buy groceries, so you'll do whatever work you can find to get
that money. But don't do the work if you don't get the money. Free
projects should be done in your free time. The time you waste on the
freebie clients would be better spent trying to find paying clients, or
cutting your neighbors grass to scrape together the money you need.
Trust me, I've been there.
Thanks,
Eric Cobb
ECAR Technologies, LLC
http://www.ecartech.com
http://www.cfgears.com
Eric Roberts wrote:
> I pushed that...he doesn't like PayPal for some reason...he is under the
> impression that people don't like it. Not something that I have ever
> heard...but he has that stuck in his head. I have suggested several other
> free options. It's not decision unfortunately. I even suggested that he
> use café press for now until; he gets some sales (He wants to do a t-shirt
> site...I questioned whether or not this would even take off as he would be a
> really small fish in a huge ocean of t-shirt sites). He insists on doing
> his own site...so finding a good cart to integrate into this that he can
> afford is the difficulty...which is why I asked here and instead of getting
> advice from folks like Sean, I was told that if I can't afford the carts out
> there for 200, I shouldn't even be a developer. So if you really want to
> point a finger, I was just defending myself.
>
> Eric
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz]
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 8:27 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: CF Shopping carts
>
>
> C'mon Eric. Let's keep these types of comments on cf-comm where they belong.
> okees? :)
>
> Does it need to be cf? Could you use paypal shopping cart?
> Something that's more geared towards a higher transaction fee but no upfront
> cost?
> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/xcl/rec/sc-intro-outside
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Eric Roberts <
> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I think you assume too much. First off...I'm not a newbie. It also
>> doesn't
>> matter who said it. I have a lot of respect for Sean and what he has
>>
> done,
>
>> but that doesn't negate the fact that his comments were elitist BS,
>> regardless if "he is telling it like it is"...that is just a cop out. My
>> client can't afford much. I am actually doing this job as a favor on
>> promise of payment as he can afford it. As I am also otherwise unemployed
>> right now I also can't afford it. Most of the consulting I do is via
>> agencies, but my last one was 1099, so no unemployment to hold me out till
>> my next contract. (we just recently moved and pretty much depleted what
>> little we had in savings to accomplish that) While I am glad you and Sean
>> are rolling in the dough, that is not the case for everyone. Yours and
>> Sean's assumption that $200 or $500 is chump change is pretty elitist. I
>> wish I had the ability to dump that kind of cash, but I live in the real
>> world with a family to take care of.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kevin Pepperman [mailto:chorno...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 7:52 PM
>> To: cf-talk
>> Subject: Re: CF Shopping carts
>>
>>
>>
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