Here's my rough draft. Anybody got anything to add?
- Matt Small
Dear Mr. Case,
We are a group of internet designers/ developers that have come
together to express our dissatisfaction with the Netscape line of
browsers.
Developing for Netscape is more than a headache for web designers
and developers. It means money spent for time when developing a new
site for multiple browsers; it means having to code for the lowest
common denominator in browsers and using the least number of features
available. It means that people have different technologies to access
the same medium, and they get different, unequal experiences. None of
these things are good for the internet.
Let us use an analogy: If our television were to get Time-Warner
Cable, with every channel from HBO to Fox News, and your different brand
of television received the same cable line but the top 30 channels were
fuzzy, and then advertisements appeared much different than when the
designers created them, what kind of experience would that be? You have
advertisers unhappy because their messages do not get across to a
maximum sized audience; some of the audience gets the newest and
fastest, while parts of it just stay the same because they don't know
how to change. Television programmers go crazy trying to figure out what
is viable viewing and what isn't.
We are not trying to condone a monopoly by any company, especially
Microsoft, but rather a standard which must be set and achieved.
Internet Explorer sets the defacto standard in usability, functionality,
and features. Netscape needs to step up or step out. Netscape 6.X still
does not meet the standard.
We hope you get this and understand our position.
Thank you for you time.
Matthew Small [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mark Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Katherine Maltby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-----Original Message-----
From: Katherine Maltby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CSS and Netscape - was(CSS and dynamically changing
classes)
I'm up for anything involving slagging off NS!
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew R. Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 16 April 2002 17:58
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CSS and Netscape - was(CSS and dynamically changing
classes)
I'm busy writing a letter to Steve Case (Chairman of the board, AOL Time
Warner, owner of Netcrap), and I am asking to PLEASE kill this one.
Anybody else interested in doing this? [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I don't know
if he'll get it or not, but I'll try.
Omigosh... this is so good... I just went to Steve Case's website using
Netcrap 4.08... the page loads and reloads and reloads again... to
infinity. I guess even the owners can't get netscape to work properly.
If you try this, let me know if you get the same reaction.
http://www.aoltimewarner.com/corporate_information/bio/CaseSteph.adp
- Matt Small
-----Original Message-----
From: Katherine Maltby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:00 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CSS and Netscape - was(CSS and dynamically changing
classes)
that is definitely some difference! I would just like to state here for
the
record that I also hate Netscape. Anyway......what's the code you're
using
in the style sheet? Also how are you laying the page out? (i.e. tables
etc...)
Ta,
Kath
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew R. Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 16 April 2002 17:00
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CSS and Netscape - was(CSS and dynamically changing
classes)
Here is the code that I am using for all of my select boxes. Only the
names change.
<select name="expmonth" class="box">
For a view of the ridiculous crap that is going on, I took screenshots
of the page in both netscape
http://www.showstopperonline.com/netscape408.jpg
And internet explorer 6.0 http://www.showstopperonline.com/ie6.jpg
The only difference between the pages is that the resolution is smaller
on the netscape page. I can't believe the difference!
And I just decided to check out my page in the latest - netscape 6 NONE
OF MY JAVASCRIPT WORKS! I click on the button, nothing happens!
Doesn't NS6 have javascript support??? I HATE NETSCAPE!
- Matt Small
-----Original Message-----
From: Katherine Maltby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:40 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CSS and Netscape - was(CSS and dynamically changing
classes)
class properties should not break the selects, but lower-end Netscape
browsers do sometimes have a tendency to pick and choose what it wants
to
display from css! Are you including it in the select tag or from a style
sheet? How is it breaking them?
Kath
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew R. Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 16 April 2002 16:42
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: CSS and Netscape - was(CSS and dynamically changing
classes)
Thanks Dave!
I decided to use the visibility property after I got this going.
On another note - I decided to view my page in Netscape 4.08. I was in
for a HUGE shock. My page, which uses CSS mostly at the most basic
level, totally breaks my page. Selects don't work at all when I have
the class property in the tag. Does this mean that the Netscape 4
series browsers are totally off limits for CSS?
- Matt Small
-----Original Message-----
From: Bosky, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:05 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CSS and dynamically changing classes
I usually use onfocus/onblur:
<INPUT TYPE="text" NAME="name" VALUE="" SIZE=30
onfocus="style.backgroundColor='gray'; style.color='white'"
onblur="style.backgroundColor='white'; style.color='black'">
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew R. Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 10:57 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: CSS and dynamically changing classes
Hi everybody,
I have a form where a text input box become available for use
only if a certain slection is made. What I want to do is have the color
of the text box be grey if it is not available and normal color (which
is purple in my case) if it is available.
I can handle the css which makes it grey, and the javascript
which makes it non-focusable until the correct selection is made, but I
need it to change color.
I tried (as an educated guess)
If (select.selectedIndex == 8) {
form.nameoftextbox.class = "sameclassasrest";}
and
If (select.selectedIndex == 8) {
form.nameoftextbox.style = "sameclassasrest";}
but neither worked for me.
Can I do this and how?
Thank you,
Matt Small
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