I would add a note expressing: "... it is becoming common practice by developers to largely ignore 'fine-tuning' for netscape because of the time and expense required. This results in sites that are viewable in Netscape, but increasingly more appealing in IE - further widening the gap."
Mark -----Original Message----- From: Matthew R. Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CSS and Netscape - was(CSS and dynamically changing classes) Here's my rough draft. Anybody got anything to add? - Matt Small Dear Mr. Case, We are a group of internet designers/ developers that have come together to express our dissatisfaction with the Netscape line of browsers. Developing for Netscape is more than a headache for web designers and developers. It means money spent for time when developing a new site for multiple browsers; it means having to code for the lowest common denominator in browsers and using the least number of features available. It means that people have different technologies to access the same medium, and they get different, unequal experiences. None of these things are good for the internet. Let us use an analogy: If our television were to get Time-Warner Cable, with every channel from HBO to Fox News, and your different brand of television received the same cable line but the top 30 channels were fuzzy, and then advertisements appeared much different than when the designers created them, what kind of experience would that be? You have advertisers unhappy because their messages do not get across to a maximum sized audience; some of the audience gets the newest and fastest, while parts of it just stay the same because they don't know how to change. Television programmers go crazy trying to figure out what is viable viewing and what isn't. We are not trying to condone a monopoly by any company, especially Microsoft, but rather a standard which must be set and achieved. Internet Explorer sets the defacto standard in usability, functionality, and features. Netscape needs to step up or step out. Netscape 6.X still does not meet the standard. We hope you get this and understand our position. Thank you for you time. Matthew Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katherine Maltby [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: Katherine Maltby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CSS and Netscape - was(CSS and dynamically changing classes) I'm up for anything involving slagging off NS! -----Original Message----- From: Matthew R. Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 16 April 2002 17:58 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CSS and Netscape - was(CSS and dynamically changing classes) I'm busy writing a letter to Steve Case (Chairman of the board, AOL Time Warner, owner of Netcrap), and I am asking to PLEASE kill this one. Anybody else interested in doing this? [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I don't know if he'll get it or not, but I'll try. Omigosh... this is so good... I just went to Steve Case's website using Netcrap 4.08... the page loads and reloads and reloads again... to infinity. I guess even the owners can't get netscape to work properly. If you try this, let me know if you get the same reaction. http://www.aoltimewarner.com/corporate_information/bio/CaseSteph.adp - Matt Small -----Original Message----- From: Katherine Maltby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CSS and Netscape - was(CSS and dynamically changing classes) that is definitely some difference! I would just like to state here for the record that I also hate Netscape. Anyway......what's the code you're using in the style sheet? Also how are you laying the page out? (i.e. tables etc...) Ta, Kath -----Original Message----- From: Matthew R. Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 16 April 2002 17:00 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CSS and Netscape - was(CSS and dynamically changing classes) Here is the code that I am using for all of my select boxes. Only the names change. <select name="expmonth" class="box"> For a view of the ridiculous crap that is going on, I took screenshots of the page in both netscape http://www.showstopperonline.com/netscape408.jpg And internet explorer 6.0 http://www.showstopperonline.com/ie6.jpg The only difference between the pages is that the resolution is smaller on the netscape page. I can't believe the difference! And I just decided to check out my page in the latest - netscape 6 NONE OF MY JAVASCRIPT WORKS! I click on the button, nothing happens! Doesn't NS6 have javascript support??? I HATE NETSCAPE! - Matt Small -----Original Message----- From: Katherine Maltby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:40 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CSS and Netscape - was(CSS and dynamically changing classes) class properties should not break the selects, but lower-end Netscape browsers do sometimes have a tendency to pick and choose what it wants to display from css! Are you including it in the select tag or from a style sheet? How is it breaking them? Kath -----Original Message----- From: Matthew R. Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 16 April 2002 16:42 To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: CSS and Netscape - was(CSS and dynamically changing classes) Thanks Dave! I decided to use the visibility property after I got this going. On another note - I decided to view my page in Netscape 4.08. I was in for a HUGE shock. My page, which uses CSS mostly at the most basic level, totally breaks my page. Selects don't work at all when I have the class property in the tag. Does this mean that the Netscape 4 series browsers are totally off limits for CSS? - Matt Small -----Original Message----- From: Bosky, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CSS and dynamically changing classes I usually use onfocus/onblur: <INPUT TYPE="text" NAME="name" VALUE="" SIZE=30 onfocus="style.backgroundColor='gray'; style.color='white'" onblur="style.backgroundColor='white'; style.color='black'"> Dave -----Original Message----- From: Matthew R. Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 10:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: CSS and dynamically changing classes Hi everybody, I have a form where a text input box become available for use only if a certain slection is made. What I want to do is have the color of the text box be grey if it is not available and normal color (which is purple in my case) if it is available. I can handle the css which makes it grey, and the javascript which makes it non-focusable until the correct selection is made, but I need it to change color. I tried (as an educated guess) If (select.selectedIndex == 8) { form.nameoftextbox.class = "sameclassasrest";} and If (select.selectedIndex == 8) { form.nameoftextbox.style = "sameclassasrest";} but neither worked for me. Can I do this and how? Thank you, Matt Small ______________________________________________________________________ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
