You're right, this is a can of worms, but...Really, I am asking that 
Steve Case drop the Netscape browser altogether.  I'm not exactly sure
which standards that IE supports or doesn't support, or how NS compares
to it. But the fact is that IE it's extremely forgiving, feature-rich,
and just a great browser altogether, while NS is just a headache for
designers.  To tell you the truth, I don't know how they keep producing
the NS browser. I't doesn't seems to me that it makes any money for the
company.
        The fact is that there are standards and that anything which
makes the code easier to program and maintain should be included in the
standard.  If NS was the all around better browser, we would be using
that instead of IE, right, Mac and Betamax arguments not withstanding
because this is a free item we're talking about.
        I guess it can also be said that it's the inclusion of the free
browser from IE that makes both browsers so great today.  
        The whole point of this is that it's cost companies MILLIONS of
dollars in lost time developing and lost revenue due to features not
working similarly in both browsers because one company can't get it
right.  If anybody has an argument that Netscape finally does have it
right, then I have three questions:
        1) Where is Netscape 5?
        2) Why was Netscape 6 now based on all new code(Gecko)?
        3) Why was Netscape 6.01 so quickly rushed out the door?

Anyway, I will include any and all names that wish to be included on the
letter.  I will include any arguments for the position as well, and I
intend to send it directly to Mr. Case via snail mail.

Matt Small

P.S. This is fun.  :-)  



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 1:47 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CSS and Netscape - was(CSS and dynamically changing
classes)

  At the risk of opening a can of worms.
  Which one is more standards compliant?  Netscape or IE?  Since I 
concentrate on database stuff or functionality, I rarely use 'advanced' 
layout features such as layers or CCS.  Are you asking Steve Case / AOL
to 
be compatible with Microsoft Internet Explorer?  Or are you asking them
to 
adhere to w3.org standards?

  Internet Explorer may be the "defacto standard in usability, 
functionality, and features" but saying that does not address whether or

not they are more (or less) standards-compliant than Navigator.  Since
that 
is the issue you want to be addressed, it is probably what you should
point 
out in the letter.

  Perhaps Mr Case will just point you to Mozilla, which (although I
haven't 
used) is supposed to adhere strictly to standards compliancy.


At 01:16 PM 4/16/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Dear Mr. Case,
>
>         We are a group of internet designers/ developers that have
come
>together to express our dissatisfaction with the Netscape line of
>browsers.
>       Developing for Netscape is more than a headache for web
designers
>and developers.  It means money spent for time when developing a new
>site for multiple browsers; it means having to code for the lowest
>common denominator in browsers and using the least number of features
>available.  It means that people have different technologies to access
>the same medium, and they get different, unequal experiences.  None of
>these things are good for the internet.
>       Let us use an analogy:  If our television were to get
Time-Warner
>Cable, with every channel from HBO to Fox News, and your different
brand
>of television received the same cable line but the top 30 channels were
>fuzzy, and then advertisements appeared much different than when the
>designers created them, what kind of experience would that be?  You
have
>advertisers unhappy because their messages do not get across to a
>maximum sized audience; some of the audience gets the newest and
>fastest, while parts of it just stay the same because they don't know
>how to change. Television programmers go crazy trying to figure out
what
>is viable viewing and what isn't.
>      We are not trying to condone a monopoly by any company,
especially
>Microsoft, but rather a standard which must be set and achieved.
>Internet Explorer sets the defacto standard in usability,
functionality,
>and features.  Netscape needs to step up or step out. Netscape 6.X
still
>does not meet the standard.
>
>         We hope you get this and understand our position.
>
>       Thank you for you time.
>
>Matthew Small [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Mark Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Katherine Maltby [EMAIL PROTECTED]




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