Yes, you raise a good point, Matt. Things were a bit fuzzy early on
because we were trying to implement a framework and a methodology. We've
tried to divide these into different things now to be more precise. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:38 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)


Since I first saw Fusebox, its web site as well as some of its
proponents like Steve and Nat have termed it as among other things, an
architecture, an application framework, a methodology, and more recently
a standard. About the only term remotely related to Fusebox is
methodology.

-Matt

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hal Helms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 9:24 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
> 
> I certainly wouldn't want to do that any more than you would, Matt.
I'm
> not sure what you're referring to, though.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:16 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
> 
> 
> Indeed, more power to you for helping people. But, do you have to use 
> common programming terms incorrectly? Showing people techniques is one

> thing, but to show a technique and pass it off as something it is not,

> certainly isn't helpful the person or the community in general.
> 
> -Matt
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hal Helms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 9:12 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
> >
> > I agree there's no formal specification, Dave. We're all working 
> > developers and though people contribute enormously to spreading
> Fusebox,
> > we haven't created a formal spec. That may come at some point, but
> most
> > of our efforts are focused on helping people learn use Fusebox to 
> > achieve successful software projects.
> >
> > In response to your question to Steve, Tim Heald asked us to respond
> to
> > some Fusebox talk on the CF-List. I'm happy to try to help, but I
know
> 
> > that some folks have an animus against Fusebox that I can't help
with.
> 
> > In short, if I can offer info, I will but I respect your time too
much
> 
> > to waste it trying to convert you. Besides, my take on this is that 
> > we're all in this together, Fuseboxers and non-Fuseboxers alike. We 
> > share a common goal and a common love for creative programming. A
lot
> of
> > people have found Fusebox helpful; some people don't. Let a thousand

> > flowers bloom, as the Chinese say.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:54 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
> >
> >
> > > > > There are two books coming out on Fusebox that should help to 
> > > > > alleviate the lack of available information on exactly what 
> > > > > Fusebox is. John Quarto and I wrote one called "Discovering 
> > > > > Fusebox 3" and Jeff Peters/Nat Papovich wrote one for New
> Riders.
> > > > > That will help people who want to find out for themselves what

> > > > > Fusebox is all about.
> > > >
> > > > Well, hi, Hal!
> > > >
> > > > That's nice and all, but where's the definitive specification? I

> > > > don't have to shell out for that, do I? It doesn't have to be 
> > > > stimulating reading, it just has to be a specification.
> > >
> > > http://www.fusebox.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=learn.specification
> > >
> > > CF and PHP are there, JSP is coming pretty soon.
> >
> > Well, hi to you too Steve! What did they do, ring the alarm bell at 
> > fusebox.org?
> >
> > I went there, before posting the previous post, and there's nothing 
> > there which is a specification. There are some implementations,
> there's
> > some documentation, but no specification in the formal sense.
> >
> > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> > http://www.figleaf.com/
> > voice: (202) 797-5496
> > fax: (202) 797-5444
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 

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