Right behind ya on that one boss :O) -----Original Message----- From: James Maltby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 17:48 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
Christine Thanks for the response. I guess my own reply would be to back-up what Dave (Hannum) has just posted - with the fact that why should I upgrade all my developers to DWMX when I'm already having to upgrade my designers to FLASHMX? It will "confuse" them into thinking that they should be "designing" (yeah I know it's an over-simplification and a little rude to my coder staff, but the point is...) when I pay five people to design for them. For pure coders/developers why not extract "HomeSite+" from DWMX - as CF Coder MX - CFStudioMX or whatever - and get us "coders" to pay for it... I'm sure fiscally MM will make more money this way (if that's the bottom line)... I know I will be happier to part with a 10x(plus)$150 dollar upgrade for this than for DWMX.... J -----Original Message----- From: Christine Lawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 17:21 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Hi Guys, I see your points, in my reply I didn't actually mean "get use to it", I more meant to say lets get some concrete feedback and I'll pass it on internally and you should pass it on through our web site. The thing is, I can't go and change Dreamweaver MX today to include the Windows explorer extension we had in Studio. BUT, if we can get all of your feedback organized and in more of a technical format (as Michael is also suggesting), then I can certainly pass it on and maybe we can get some of these features added in the future or through Dreamweaver extensions (note, I know nothing about these so I may be off on that one!). With Chris's point about being "leftovers", that really makes me sad and concerned. I have been very excited in the past few weeks with the preview release of CFMX, I think it's a very cool release and that's me personally - not because I work for MM. I can definitely see your point with training, the only suggestion I would have is to maybe use HomeSite + which has CFMX tag support. Then you'll have Dreamweaver MX and maybe you could ease your employees into it by doing the included tutorials in Help and on our site? That's just a quick off the top of my head idea - understand if it's not realistic :) Back to the point of being leftovers... just so you know, I actually watch this list and others, plus the Forums (this includes HomeSite) and then I pass on what I'm seeing from you guys - I'm not the only one who does this, Vernon does too. I even write a weekly report on what you guys are saying, we are seriously listening and we (because I'm from the CF community) are not leftovers. Keep in mind this is really the first round of our companies working together and combining the technologies, imagine what we can do with future releases - especially with your feedback. I hope that helps... Christine -----Original Message----- From: James Maltby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:45 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Christine, Chris makes some valid and mute points please listen to him. To add to his perspective, here is my point of view: As a company owner with over 10 CF developers in the UK and NZ I came to use Cold Fusion back in the day when Nick Bradbury sold HomeSite 2.x to Allaire - and as I was one of the original beta-testers of HomeSite - you can guess which side of the fence I sit on. My company are currently beta-testing Flash and CF MX across the board and, while I have to admit that in the world of "so called" WYSIWYG software Dreamweaver has been by far the industry leader, dropping Studio will make me seriously consider which direction my company heads in the future. See it from our perspective; I've spent thousands of dollars on software and training my staff, why should I know have to spend more money buying "upgrades" that require me to re-train my staff. My suggestion would be to give the rights to Studio back to Nick Bradbury and licence him to develop a MM partnered version of, say "Studio MX" - which I am sure 90% plus of CF developers across the world would be willing to "upgrade" to and MM could get a commission on each sale, keeping developers (surely the front-line salespeople for the CF product to clients) happy in the bargain.... Just a thought eh. J -----Original Message----- From: Chris Stoner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 16:30 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Christine, I won't try to talk for everyone here however, as a developer who spends more time in code then in the look and feel part of a web page, I an see why everyone is getting a little rude here. We as Cold Fusion developers have enjoyed a relationship with Allaire that made us feel as if we were extremely valued, because we were. We were the primary (or at least influencers to the primary) source of revenue for allaire. Now, Allaire is no more. Macromedia has come in and apparently shifted that view. No longer are the coders paramount but rather the desktop publishers/graphic artist types. Now you (Macromedia) drop our favorite tool, replace it with something that is more geared to the WSYIWYG-S editor types and we are left in the cold. On top of that, in this thread alone, your replies have been more like "get used to it" rather then "let us see what we can do to fix this situation". We are not used to that. Hell, if I were to imply that to my customers, I would be fired. Which brings me to my point. It appears at first glance that the old group of developers are no longer your customer, we are just leftovers. You are hitting people in their sense of security even if it is only perception and saying or doing nothing to make us feel different. We are discussing details on an IDE, which by itself is somewhat benign, but if you look at the overall attitude (and perceived direction) of Macromedia, you should be able to easily see why we are getting a bit worried and/or frustrated with the situation. C H R I S S T O N E R time warner cable tampa bay division [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: Christine Lawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Hi Everyone, I know Mike Chambers and Nathan Stanford already pointed this out, but Neil is not a Macromedia employee. He's a Team Macromedia member, but not an employee, and his views are his own - not Macromedia's. Anyhow, I've been using CF Studio for a long time, I'm also one of the CF'ers Vernon spoke to yesterday and we went through the differences between CF Studio and Dreamweaver MX. I know a number of people on this list from the Allaire days and I (and everyone else at Macromedia) value *all* of your feedback. I know Vernon already pointed out the wishform, and yup, I'm going to point it out again :) http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=6 PLEASE post your feedback, it really can help develop future versions of our products... However, I'm also going to go through each and every one of these messages and make my own summary of your wants/needs/opinions so your feedback is organized and clear. If I find something that can be done in Dreamweaver, I'll be sure to post with the steps. In the meantime I have one request: please, please, please, can we be polite when we post? I know the majority of people have been but Michael Dinowitz has been nice enough to host this list for us - we're all in the same boat here let's please respect one another's opinions. I hope this helps, now I'm on to organizing your feedback... Christine Lawson Macromedia Technical Support -----Original Message----- From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? *********** you wrote ***************** OK so now we're being told by MM what is and is NOT good practice, dont seem right to me lol we should be able to access files directly with RDS/FTp of course mistakes happen but you'll have people making mistakes with this style of doing it too. Did you get alot of people yelling at MM saying OHHH because i was able to access files directly with RDS i fubared my whole site and i'm going to sue MM?? No they said damnit i goofed and fixed it. ************************************** Somewhat ironic as well - considering the amount of time I have to take on a regular basis hand editing DW files so they conform to our coding standards - sometimes I can't believe all the crap DW puts in the files my content people save to the site. But (sigh), I guess I'm just a careless RDS users (LOL). ______________________________________________________________________ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
