Ya know I've just not bothered to read this thread as I don't have the energy to argue with you guys on Microsoft vs Agenda politics.
Ok.. so .. we all have used MS SQL right? Have you used Internet Explorer or better yet IIS. If you have any yes's in those boxes the Microsoft is relevant to the Adobe Coldfusion User Group. Guys - remember Microsofts product range on a number of platforms and services available, we aren't a one trick poney and if Adobe want to pitch the whole "Blue Team vs Red Team" approach to the world and that kind of crap appeals to you, by all means buy into it. If you'd prefer to have a rational conversation that doesn't involve politics and brands and all that crap that just causes headaches - come see me as I'll be willing to listen. Offers there folks, yes you can have Adobe do a presentation on it and I'll organise the theatres to accomodate. Put it into context: We have the Brisbane Web Design User Group last night where Ben gave a presentation on an OSX Machine and some dude was handing out Linux shirts .... We just don't play that game - no matter how many times I'll try and tell you :) On 3/13/07, Darren Tracey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd also like to add a little to the CFUGs in Microsoft issue. > I pondered this exact same thing recently myself. > Its an interesting idea that you could hold your CFUG meeting in the > premises of your 'competitor'. > Getting free stuff out of Microsoft is also always nice. > But thats it. There's no other real value add. > We get our catering costs covered by the local Adobe office, we get > sufficient free giveaways from Adobe as well, and we have a very good > venue also provided at no cost. > Apart from being interesting, what do we gain from holding it at > Microsoft? (yes I know this all stemmed from an internet connection > issue, but there are other ways around that) > > The people at Microsoft are _far_ from idiots. They don't do things > for no reason, or even trivial reasons. > People can say all they want that it doesn't matter, and "we're not > idiots, we won't be swayed", but in the end, it does make a > difference, and it doesn't "feel right". > Microsoft are far too keen, so they are obviously seeing it as a non > trivial benefit to them. I'm not seeing any kind of benefit beyond the > trivial that the CFUG gets from the arrangement, and at the end of the > day, they are the competitor. > > As I've said in other lists lately, there are places to go to get info > about Microsoft products and places to go to get info on Adobe > products, and the two should be seperate and distinct things. Everyone > knows where to get info about Microsoft products. The CFUG community > doesn't have to facilitate information flow about competing > technologies. > I have no problem with getting someone from Microsoft in to tell us > about technologies that we want to hear about, but its still our > meeting, and its our call as to what is covered and what is not > covered, and you start to loose that control when you accept > 'incentives' like hosting, etc, from any vendor. > Its a slippery slope, and there may not be any problems with doing it > either, but the trick is to avoid the potential situations where > compromising your aims and objectives becomes possible or is removed > from your control. > The risk is small, but the benefit is even smaller, so its just not > worth taking it, in my mind. > > Thats why we're doing what we're doing. > > Regards > > Darren Tracey > > > > > -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
