Hi Toby,
Thanks for you input. I agree I won't give up Flex as I believe it has
potential but I won't recommend it for major/minor applications. I
will stick with .NET or ColdFusion. I believe the whole RIA is just
still too young.
I will say this one more time.
1. We had an external consultancy validate code and methodologies
2. The deadline wasn't missed. (yet).
3. My disappointment was two pronged.
a.) Although they explain the concepts behind Flex it really only
scratches the surface.
b.) The lack of examples.
I had a mate of mine warn me who knows flex back to front.
"Don't do a flex app or your project will fail". It hasn't failed yet
but I understand what he means now.
I truly hope that making Flex Open source will infact increase all
aspects of its programming. But until then I will stick to what I
originally stated.
I have told everyone in my immediate team that we will "not" be doing
another Flex application until things change.
Jeremy.
On Apr 28, 12:17 pm, Toby Tremayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd like to weigh in on this too - Jeremy i can understand your
> difficulties attempting to get your head around flex in so short a
> time, but there are a couple of points I'd like to make:
>
> 1) All companies are guilty of focusing on what the good Dr Hilliard
> calls the "Elevator Pitch" - showing the bells and whistles that make
> things incredibly easy, and not focusing on the long term
> requirements. But to be totally honest that's no different than
> allaire/macromedia et al have ever done with CF. Low entry barrier -
> some things are dead easy to do. That doesn't mean you'll be able to
> build complex apps in a day. Think about it - we all know it take 2
> minutes to use cfquery and cfoutput and write a dynamic page to view
> data in a db. But none of us assume that means we're going to be
> able to write enterprise apps integrating with all manner of things
> and using complex OO frameworks etc in no time.
>
> 2) AS3 is pretty easy to learn in and of itself - but that doesn't
> mean you're going to know the whole API and all the ins and outs in a
> week. You can knock up simple little example apps in no time at all,
> but if you're looking at building anything serious, you need to take
> the time to understand the event model and asynchronous calls among
> other things. I don't see this at all as a failing of the language
> OR of adobe. Anyone who leaps into a new technology for a short
> fixed deadline based on just the "elevator pitch" is bound to feel pain.
>
> 3) Once you've learned the basic differences and gotten past the web
> based request/response paradigm, you'll find flex magnificent -and
> very RAD. There is yet to be a language developed that just lets you
> say "I want this and this and this and this" and it magically works.
>
> I hope you get the chance to give flex another try. When I first had
> at it, I was in exactly the same boat as you - and I had trouble
> shifting paradigms in my thinking. But with the advice of people on
> the lists and reading the books I'm absolutely loving it now - it's a
> seriously powerful tool and is going to be very important in the not
> too distant future I think. Don't be discouraged by the fact that it
> doesn't happen overnight.
>
> Toby
>
> On 27/04/2007, at 22:38 , <cfgroupie> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Andrew,
>
> > I didn't go into this decision lightly. In fact it wasn't my ultimate
> > decision at all. I work for a HUGE company in which those decisions
> > are anaylsed to the endth degree.
> > And yes in high-end sight we should have done it in HTML/ColdFusion.
>
> > We actually discussed it with a Third party i.e. NOT me. So when is a
> > good time to start working with the new tools? The only way to fully
> > learn a language is to get dirty
> > with it. My issue that I have with Adobe is that they DID not fully
> > explain the complexity and learning curve that Flex has. The reason I
> > raised this issue with all of you, is I truly believe
> > that flex IS not ready for the main stream development environment.
> > Its close but its just not ready. When I went to WebDU which I have
> > nicked name FlexDU I spoke to Ted Patrick about the learning
> > curve of Flex and what I could do to help reduce that learning curve
> > and even he acknowledged that there is a steep learning curve with
> > Flex and it is an issue that Adobe has recognized. He said wait for
> > some more books to come out which should help. So perhaps now that
> > Flex is open source we will see alot more tutorials and better
> > resources.
>
> > Jeremy
>
> > On Apr 27, 7:32 pm, "Andrew Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> With a post like this, no wonder people are jumped on:-)
>
> >> Serioulsy, I applaud your atempt but to go into a project without
> >> knowing
> >> your tools is dangerous.
>
> >> And like every programming language I have come across, learning
> >> them have
> >> been easy. But the surface is always just that a surface, and when
> >> delving
> >> deeper it can be harder and CF is no differeent.
>
> >> When you start introducing Coldspring and MG:U or reactor, to name
> >> a few it
> >> throws in some very big complexity and Flex is no different.
>
> >> On 4/27/07, <cfgroupie> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >>> I walked into worked today with everyone around me saying did you
> >>> hear? Flex has been open- sourced. My imediate thoughts was that's
> >>> interesting. But honestly it won't make me continue with flex.
>
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>
> Toby Tremayne
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