*rolls eyes*.. yes that's right, we're so afraid that I secretly joined this list 9+ years ago, waited out my time for this point to seize the day. Bill called me last night and stated "Scott, CF is likely to make a comeback, and it's keeping me up at night.. i really need your help on this one pal, can you dig in there, can you do the flip now.. as this is your time, do this and I'll think about promoting you to the next level as by crikey if we can get Kevin switched over to .NET, well everything will fall into place".
I mean, how does one make such an ignorant remark and feel good about themselves at the same time? I've never hated a brand, I've been annoyed or ticked off by a brand but never "hated" a single brand. Ignorance continues to flourish. Fact is, I gave some basic truths. If it annoys you fine, if you think retribution is to weigh in on the cliche "windows is dead" argument(s) or attack yet another Microsoft employee, knock yourself out, by all means if that's your answer do so. It still hasn't fixed your initial problem, and attacking or whining about Microsoft or my approach is just a waste of email - i really couldn't care :) (typing this on my weekend may i add) Meanwhile friends i have in the CF local scene, and there are a lot of them, have moved onto other languages (not all .NET? does that mean i should break ties with them now? i mean isn't that a rule or something?) and have unsubscribe from this list - not because of topics like this, but because of ignorant stupidity shown by folks like Kevin. Stop the madness now, you're smarter and better than that. Like i said, you win no points for blind faith in technology today, you gain more points for experience in competing technologies. The old days are gone, live in the now... Preacher out. On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I DO fully agree with that. > > Microsoft has ALWAYS done everything possible to crush any potential > competition. > > Im sorry to say, This thread is full of BS. > > CF is the sleeping giant here. And it scares Microsoft just enough to send > their preachers out. > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:18 PM, CyberAngel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well, I don't fully agree with that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On > > Behalf Of *MrBuzzy > > *Sent:* Saturday, 12 April 2008 11:06 AM > > *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! > > not FUD from them too? > > > > > > > > This is exactly what I hate about Microsoft. They blind you with noise, > > give you a whole lot of crap you don't need. > > > > Using ASP.net and such is a massive assumption that the general populous > > will continue to use Windows. There's a few people at Gartner saying Windows > > is dead :) > > > > Scott you do make some good points, however 'going the microsoft way' is > > not the solution for everything (which generally is what microsoft people > > will evangelize, ie; what you're indirectly doing now). > > > > On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > The difference between an MVP and Adobe CE is folks are measured yearly > > on their efforts. For example, if you make MVP this year because you did an > > outstanding job last year (and made the criteria that the independent body > > agreed upon) it doesn't automatically mean you'll get it next year if you > > decide to get bored with the idea. > > > > > > > > It's apples for oranges really, but the point I was trying to make is > > whom are your/our (still consider myself a cfaussie) leaders, what > > recognition do they get and above all what level of support? (ie Barry > > Beattie comes to mind a lot when I think of this). > > > > > > > > I could really go to town on this but I think I'm overstepping my > > boundaries as be clear, I'm Microsoft and can't speak my mind on this one > > topic. > > > > > > > > Suffice to say the following: > > > > > > > > - *There is lack of maturity in the local CF ranks.* Most of the > > ranking officers/generals in ANZ are either in management roles or in > > other > > languages (Java, .NET etc). This is really bad, as whom are mentoring the > > Juniors? and more importantly what are they teaching them? > > - *There is lack of marketing spend.* This doesn't have to be > > billboards, events, rally points if you will are marketing amongst other > > means. We had really small budget to market Silverlight with last year, > > we > > made it scale and that product was zero install in January last year. > > - *There is lack of diversity.* Folks, we are never one brand and > > i encourage you all to consider going beyond your comfort zones. There > > is a > > large IT world out there whom will not award you points for being 100% > > loyal > > to one brand. Allow yourself to be around other communities whom may not > > like your technology preferences, but i guarantee you, they will respect > > you > > as professional for looking at theres. Diversity is key, as it forms > > relationship and fosters various adoption lifecyles that benefit all. If > > you're not getting the numbers you need with a UG, look at merging or > > colloborating with others. People donate 1-2hrs of their personal time to > > attend these, make them feel its an investment, not a chore. > > - *The old days are gone. *Who cares what happened in the last 3-5 > > years. What people care about is what's happening in the next 3-5 years. > > Cynergy Systems for example, told me last year at MIX07 in Vegas "we're > > announcing our support of Silverlight" and they did so because they > > believed > > in our roadmap and our vision for the future. I have countless more > > stories > > like this, roadmaps are currency as todays' technology weakness is > > tomorrow's strength. I won't preach at you, but ask yourself a simple > > question, where do you see Coldfusion heading in 3-5 years? not just the > > server itself but the surrounding ecosystem. > > - *There is lack of rapid prototyping.* Rapid prototyping is > > something more and more companies are looking for daily. if you can't > > produce a solution in minimal time, whilst your competitor can, weigh up > > what you're doing and why you are doing it that way. Broaden your > > horizons > > and understand that it's not about quality, it's mostly about quantity. > > Ruby > > On Rails, can be the most awful solution known to man in the wrong hands, > > and it sadly does end up in the wrong hands a lot, but the reason why it > > had > > a nice amount of run on the boards was simply because it empowered > > engineers > > to pump out solutions rapidly. > > - *There is lack of community spirit. *Go to a CFUG? what value > > does one get? It's an open ended question. If all folks get is to see a > > video or presentation they can view online anyway then what value are you > > adding to peoples lives. Whom are you inviting to speak and what value > > are > > they offering? Are you talking to the same people? Is debating on > > CFAussie > > really the right place to do so? and so on... where is your aggregation > > point for the CF virgin out there? how does one sound a bell and all > > flock > > to a single rally point and what is that rally point? > > > > CF locally "is" or "isn't" on the decline really is not the argument > > here. Assume for this exercise it is, say there entire system is about to > > crumble and FUD is based of truth. Now what would you do differently to > > change that and how would you execute it? I say this as we assume .NET is > > losing numbers daily and we expect it to grow by 20% each year and that's > > what we do, we work hard to make it grow year on year. We never relax as > > being successful is really easy, staying successful, now that is truly an > > art. > > > > > > > > When I joined the CF Community many years ago, > > CFUG.org.au<http://cfug.org.au/>for one was my entrance, the people I meet > > throughout my career have been > > remarkable and have been close friends. I have a lot of good and bad stories > > to tell around this language and I'll be honest, it's something I hope to > > instill into the Silverlight/WPF community world-wide going forward. I > > understood what makes a technology community great, and it wasn't brand > > worship or individuals within Macromedia/Adobe we should worship, it was > > more the people around the brand/company. Folks you looked up to and > > respected because they knew xyz feature better than any and would drop what > > they were doing to educate you on it. > > > > > > > > Anyway, enough my nostalgia, fact is there is a lot of weaknesses in > > Coldfusion right now and seeing a lot jobs for CF is one thing, seeing a lot > > of the same jobs a month later is equally as bad as not seeing jobs for > > Coldfusion. There's a distinction in quality vs quantity there. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
